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joshtinpowers



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:55 pm    Post subject: Funerals & Weddings

It's a common practice for funerals and weddings to be conducted in the church building--where do we find authority for it?
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m273p15c



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:35 pm    Post subject: social activities are not the work of the church

Admittedly, some fine teaching can be done at a wedding or a funeral; however, fine teaching can be done at lots of social occasions, and that does not justify their inclusion in the work of the church. We could have prayer at a basketball game or a work cafeteria, but that does not justify the church venturing into building gymnasiums or establishing businesses.

In short, I do not believe there is any Scriptural authority for weddings and funerals being held in the church building, simply because housing social events is not the role of the church.

The church building is generically authorized as an expedient means for carrying out the command that the saints should assemble (Hebrews 10:25). The church is not responsible for conducting funerals or weddings. Furthermore, since the church is saddled with a clear responsibility and work to evangelize, edify, and take care of its own (Ephesians 4:12; I Timothy 3:15), it would be presumptuous to use funds from the church's treasury in a manner that is outside the authorized work of the church. Incidentally, the ISOT site has an article on the work of the church, which may be worth considering:

http://www.insearchoftruth.org/articles/workofchurch.html

Plus, I think there are no references to weddings or funerals being connected to worship services or assembling. Annanias and Saphira were "carried out ... and buried" by "devout, young men" (Acts 5:5-10). I would think that if ever there was an appropriate time to have a funeral service in the assembly, that would have been it! ... Also, I know may be a bit of a stretch, but I think most weddings contain aspects performed by the bride that would be outside of her role in worship assemblies, as recognized by some (I Corinthians 14:34). ...

I am certainly open to dissenting thoughts, because I once believed these practices to be authorized. However, I changed my views after much questioning and studying with others.
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joshtinpowers



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:51 pm    Post subject:

I appreciate your response, and I agree wholeheartedly.

I've been discussing this issue with some brethren lately, and was curious to hear some fresh viewpoints.
I'm still curious to hear some dissenting thoughts as well, that would provide clear Bible authority for this practice.

My fear is that this is one of those areas where Christians have just "rejected the commandment of God, in order to keep their own tradition" (Mk. 7:9).
They haven't thought about this subject in light of the question: "Where is the authority?"
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m273p15c



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:00 pm    Post subject:

Would you be willing to share some of those thoughts? Pros and cons? It might be helpful for others, who are unacquainted with the various lines of reasoning.

I would offer what I have heard in the past, but since this issue is recent for you, I would prefer to hear what you have heard and thought.

Thanks!
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joshtinpowers



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:31 pm    Post subject:

Well for me personally, I always rationalized the use of the church building for funerals/weddings thusly:
At every funeral/wedding I've attended, there has always been preaching/teaching, and/or praying, and/or singing, and since those are all acts of worship, we are essentially engaging in a worship service of sorts at these functions, therefore, the use of the church building is appropriate.
However, as I got older, I realized that's a pretty flimsy line of reasoning.
As you've already pointed out, we could engage in those same acts of worship at any other secular event, but that doesn't provide authority for the church to engage in those same secular activities.

I've heard others use the justification that since marriage is ordained by God, it would be permissible to use the church building for a marriage ceremony.
However, civil government is ordained by God as well--does that mean it would be permissible to use the church building as a voting location for local/state/federal elections?
I think you can see what a slippery slope that line of reasoning is.

Below is a link to an article that looks at this issue from just about every possible angle, and hits the nail on the head much better than I am able to articulate:
http://www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume5/TM005056.html

What it comes down to is this: can the church provide the funds for the expenses at weddings/funerals?
Whether we'd like to admit it or not, it takes money to pay for the lights, heat/air, water that are used at the church building during those functions.
That money has to come from somewhere, and that somewhere is the church treasury.
Where is the authority for using the Lord's money for such events?
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BensMom



Joined: 22 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:25 pm    Post subject:

I also agree. I'm one of those people who never questioned it because that's the way "it's always been." When I moved to Texas, I heard a sermon by Jim Everett discussing the points you've already discussed and realized just how erroneous my thinking was. It makes me wonder if there are other areas of my life that need to be changed, but I simply haven't noticed! Confused
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