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by Marc
Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:46 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: THE CONTEXT OF CORNELIUS
Replies: 79
Views: 105725

Just because something is convenient doesn't necessitate it is false. John 15 is comparable to Hebrews 6 - both are describing what occurs due to the loss of fellowship. So no contradiction with 2 John 1:2 - even those who experience a loss of fellowship have the Holy Spirit "forever". The truth abi...
by Marc
Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:30 pm
Forum: Evidences and Apologetics
Topic: Does Mark 16:9-20 belong in your Bible?
Replies: 35
Views: 57048

You don't "like" what Metzger wrote otherwise you would have produced something that shows he is wrong. Waiting... In terms of the text I cited from the Restoration Quarterly showing that a Syriac text does indeed pre-date the Peshitto you can contact Western Baptist College in Salem Oregon. They ha...
by Marc
Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:58 pm
Forum: Morality
Topic: The husband is his wife's "master"
Replies: 1
Views: 6055

The husband is his wife's "master"

In that the husband is referred to as his wife's "kurios" in 1 Peter 3:6 it is indeed true that he is her "master".
by Marc
Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:30 pm
Forum: Evidences and Apologetics
Topic: Does Mark 16:9-20 belong in your Bible?
Replies: 35
Views: 57048

The context of Metzger's comment has to do with the ending of Mark's Gpsel. Seeing you don't like what he wrote you simply reject it. You have not answered if the two earliest Greek manuscripts lack them. Does it appear in the "earliest" known commentary of Mark? Did Jerome state that it was lacking...
by Marc
Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:54 am
Forum: Evidences and Apologetics
Topic: Does Mark 16:9-20 belong in your Bible?
Replies: 35
Views: 57048

One more reason as to why we know this text is spurious. Mark 16:16 contradicts Acts 10:44-48. That is a very clear contradiction for the Gentiles were definately saved before they were water baptized.
by Marc
Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:22 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: only belief is required for salvation
Replies: 41
Views: 62903

Those who are not saved by faith alone are not saved at all. Romans 4:5 and Titus 3:5, 6 are clear on this. Romans 4 the works include all works and the same holds true in Titus 3:5, 6.
by Marc
Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:15 am
Forum: Evidences and Apologetics
Topic: Does Mark 16:9-20 belong in your Bible?
Replies: 35
Views: 57048

I never said that Scriptres are defined as what "alone" exist in the mind of God. I'm sure there is much more to Him and He has other thoughts that go beyond (although not contradicting) the Scriptures. So ot does not constitute "a serious abuse of the text" I have given several examples that this t...
by Marc
Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:02 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: THE CONTEXT OF CORNELIUS
Replies: 79
Views: 105725

John 15 - Is speaking about loss of fellowship not loss of salvation. The truth will be with us forever but it does not guarantee it will be with us forever (2 John 1:2). Nice. What a dodge of 1 Thessalonians 4! Those that are given the Holy Spirit are members of the New Covenant. Perhaps Thayer wil...
by Marc
Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:50 pm
Forum: Evidences and Apologetics
Topic: Does Mark 16:9-20 belong in your Bible?
Replies: 35
Views: 57048

Is there any reason why we are too doubt Metzger here? Has anyone ever refuted him? You defended the manuscripts that were originally cited. Do you agree with what was written Codex W. Is that Scripture? Do you believe the two earliest Greek manuscripts lack them?
by Marc
Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:49 pm
Forum: Evidences and Apologetics
Topic: Does Mark 16:9-20 belong in your Bible?
Replies: 35
Views: 57048

"The earliest Greek, Syriac, Coptic, Armenian and Latin manuscripts end the Gospel of Mark at 16:8"

- Bruce Metzger (Christian History Magazine, 9-17-96).
by Marc
Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:45 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: THE CONTEXT OF CORNELIUS
Replies: 79
Views: 105725

Whereas we see in the OT the Spirit "departed" from a person we do not however see it in the New. 1 John 5:6 The Spirit is the truth 2 John 1:2 The truth will abide with us and will be with us forever Good job dodging Ezekiel and 2 Corinthians 6 Sleddy - kind a figured you would. While you are at it...
by Marc
Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:25 pm
Forum: Evidences and Apologetics
Topic: Does Mark 16:9-20 belong in your Bible?
Replies: 35
Views: 57048

Refutation? Do the eaerliest Greek manuscripts contain them? No Do the earliest Armenian manuscripts conain them? No Do the earliest Latin manuscripts contain them? No Do the earliest Coptic manuscripts conatin them? No Does the earliest Syriac manuscript contain them? No Does the earliest known com...
by Marc
Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:26 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: THE CONTEXT OF CORNELIUS
Replies: 79
Views: 105725

Yawn (again). The Spirit was not yet given in the sense of permanently indwelling. Ezekiel 36:27 and 2 Corinthians 6:16 I "will" put my Spirit within you....so you will be My people, and I will be your God = I will dwell in them and walk among them and I will be their God, and they shall be My peopl...
by Marc
Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:52 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: THE CONTEXT OF CORNELIUS
Replies: 79
Views: 105725

Sleddy,

.... the Holy Spirit is God (The Trinity).

And John 7 says the Spirit was not yet given. Until when Sleddy? When was the Spirit given?
by Marc
Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:49 pm
Forum: Evidences and Apologetics
Topic: Does Mark 16:9-20 belong in your Bible?
Replies: 35
Views: 57048

Nice try again Sleddy

The evidence I gave was not refuted.
by Marc
Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:43 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: THE CONTEXT OF CORNELIUS
Replies: 79
Views: 105725

You stated that Balaam was indwelt with the Holy Spirit. This is false for anyone indwelt by God constitues His child (2 Corinthians 6:16-18).

Next...
by Marc
Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:26 am
Forum: Evidences and Apologetics
Topic: Does Mark 16:9-20 belong in your Bible?
Replies: 35
Views: 57048

He that asserts must prove.

I did not initially assert they did. Therefore they must prove.

Get a clue.
by Marc
Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:08 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: THE CONTEXT OF CORNELIUS
Replies: 79
Views: 105725

1. If they were Jews then they would have received the Spirit at water baptism - not so with the Gentiles. 2. All who are Christians have been baptized with the Holy Spirit. If you have not been baptized with the Holy Spirit then you are not a Christian (Romans 6:3; 1 Corinthians 12:13; Galatians 3:...
by Marc
Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:14 pm
Forum: Evidences and Apologetics
Topic: Does Mark 16:9-20 belong in your Bible?
Replies: 35
Views: 57048

Nice try Sledford,

They are making the assertion that it is inspired. I have given strong evidence that it is not. They then must supply the criteria for determing if a text is inspired. Based on what I have presented it is indeed a hopeless cuase.

As the sled just continue in your descent.
by Marc
Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:34 pm
Forum: Evidences and Apologetics
Topic: Does Mark 16:9-20 belong in your Bible?
Replies: 35
Views: 57048

To the first post, I think your question ought to be asked to the person who started this thread. They assume it is Scripture. So they should tell us the standards to determine if this spurious text is Scripture. I am well aware that people such as Irenaeus quoted it but that does not necessitae tha...
by Marc
Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:51 pm
Forum: Evidences and Apologetics
Topic: Does Mark 16:9-20 belong in your Bible?
Replies: 35
Views: 57048

I don't understand your question when you asked "To what did man add Mark 16:9-20". Mark 16:9-20 is what man added. They were added at the conclusion of Mark 16:8. Man has continually been trying to alter the text. Spiros Zodhiates agrees with Tertullian (On the Flesh of Christ Chapter 19) that John...
by Marc
Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:01 pm
Forum: Evidences and Apologetics
Topic: Does Mark 16:9-20 belong in your Bible?
Replies: 35
Views: 57048

Hi, I accept the Scriptures as unbroken because I believe that "man" has added Mark 16:9-20. Therefore it is not Scripture (to be broken). I beieive this also holds true concerning 1 John 5:7 (KJV) and Acts 8:37. For a ver very long period of time 1 John 5:7 as it reads in the KJV was believed to be...
by Marc
Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:01 am
Forum: Evidences and Apologetics
Topic: Does Mark 16:9-20 belong in your Bible?
Replies: 35
Views: 57048

Among several other things it is lacking in Aleph and B.
by Marc
Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:34 am
Forum: Evidences and Apologetics
Topic: Does Mark 16:9-20 belong in your Bible?
Replies: 35
Views: 57048

Hi m273p15c, I would not use any text that is that unreliable. For this reason I never use 1 John 5:7 (KJV) in support of the Trinity. No, nor do I use John 14:14, in which the newer versions contain "me", to demonstrate the deity of Christ in that He is the recipient of prayers for "me" is a contes...
by Marc
Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:00 pm
Forum: Evidences and Apologetics
Topic: Does Mark 16:9-20 belong in your Bible?
Replies: 35
Views: 57048

Does it belong there or does it need to be thrown out because of what Jesus said about baptism?

Neither for it is too disputed of a text "no matter what is said in the text".
by Marc
Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:57 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: FAITH ALONE TEACHES SALVATION BY A DEAD FAITH
Replies: 2
Views: 6725

Faith if it has not confession and repentance is a dead faith.
by Marc
Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:55 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: WHAT PETER SAYS ABOUT WATER BAPTISM!
Replies: 2
Views: 6926

Water baptism simply pictures our salvation. Christ said "This is My blood". Was the wine literally His blood or a picture of His blood?
by Marc
Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:53 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: THE GREAT COMMISSION, who really believes what Christ said?
Replies: 14
Views: 20844

That didn't disprove at all what I wrote. One can be a learner but not necessarily saved.
by Marc
Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:51 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 48844

You still avoid 1 John 4:13.

One cannot be saved apart from the Holy Spirit.

Yes baptism saves - Holy Spirit baptism not water baptism (Acts 11:16)
by Marc
Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:58 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 48844

Since the Holy Spirit is God why can't this be possible that we are buried into Him and raised from Him? He is doing the saving. You avoided Philippians 3:3 and Acts 10:46. Just like you continue to avoid 1 John 4:13 and the fact that when those in Acts 2:4 (cf. Acts 1:5) were baptized with the Holy...
by Marc
Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:50 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: THE GREAT COMMISSION, who really believes what Christ said?
Replies: 14
Views: 20844

Disciple simply means a learner. There were some "disciples" who were not necessarily saved (John 6:66).
by Marc
Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:00 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: THE GREAT COMMISSION, who really believes what Christ said?
Replies: 14
Views: 20844

No problem that people are to be water baptized for it pictures our salvation because the Gentiles in Acts 10 were clearly saved before thry were water baptized.
by Marc
Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:56 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 48844

It is true that Romans 6:3; 1 Corinthians 12:13; Galatians 3:27 and Colossians 2:12 all refer to the same baptism. This baptism is the baptism with the Holy Spirit. Colossians 2:11, 12 talks about one being "circumcised" in association with "baptism". Those of the "true circumcision" Philippians 3:3...
by Marc
Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:13 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: THE GREAT COMMISSION, who really believes what Christ said?
Replies: 14
Views: 20844

You know the commands of God but have you sinned? Yes. That is despite knowing it was wrong you sinned anyway.
by Marc
Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:01 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 48844

YOU were the first one to bring up Galatians 3:27 so it is incumbent upon you to explain why it "must" refer to water baptism.

"He that asserts must prove".
by Marc
Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:56 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: THE GREAT COMMISSION, who really believes what Christ said?
Replies: 14
Views: 20844

Just as a person can be saved without obeying ALL the commands of God so too they can be saved without being water baptized. If you insist on one then you must hold the other to be true.
by Marc
Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:34 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: THE GREAT COMMISSION, who really believes what Christ said?
Replies: 14
Views: 20844

Have you ever or will you ever obsereve ALL things that are commanded of you?
by Marc
Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:32 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 48844

Galatians 3:27 like Acts 11:16 refers to being baptized with the Holy Spirit. You assume it means water but it does not. In Acts 2:38 the forgiveness of sins took place in or upon their water baptism. At the same time they were baptized with the Holy Spirit. You expressed surprise that Matk would en...
by Marc
Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:57 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 48844

When the Holy Spirit was poured out upon them in Acts 2:4 this placed them into the NT church. That is what the pouring out/baptism with the Holy Spirit does. It places a person into the NT church. This is precisely what occurred with the Gentiles in Acts 10:44, 45 before they were water baptized in...
by Marc
Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:42 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: THE GREAT COMMISSION, who really believes what Christ said?
Replies: 14
Views: 20844

All are to be water baptized but this does not necessitate that it is salvific.
by Marc
Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:27 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 48844

Paul was a Jew so thus he fell under the conditions of Acts 2:38. He received the Holy Spirit/salvation in or upon his water baptism. Show me just one post or thread in this entire forum where I have ever written that Paul was saved before he was water baptized. I'll be waiting.... Thank you for onc...
by Marc
Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:54 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 48844

The Holy Spirit fell upon the Gentiles just as He did on the Apostles at Pentecost - In both instances He placed each group "in the body of Christ" for Pentecost is when the NT church began (Acts 2:1-4). According to Titus 3:5, 6 if one has the Holy Spirit "poured out" upon them (Titus 3:6) this mea...
by Marc
Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:37 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 48844

Nice dodge Sledford. What does John 19:11 say. Yep that's right - "the GREATER sin". Yes the Gentiles carried out the execution but who delivered Christ to the Gentiles hoping they would do this to Him? In fact, even when Pilate (A Gentile) at first desired to release Jesus who was it that continuou...
by Marc
Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:29 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 48844

Mattew 28 says "all" are to be water baptized. This text does not state if it is salvific. It is salvific in Acts 2:38. It is not salvific in Acts 10:48. Since the Gentiles in Acts 10 were clearly saved before they were water baptized (something to which you keep avoiding) then water baptism is an o...
by Marc
Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:32 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 48844

I just gave you an example where the obedience of faith is the same thing as the obedience of confession. Words can encompass other word meanings. Akouw (Strong's #191) means to "hear and obey" (Thayer) as in John 10:8; Acts 3:22; Acts 4:19. But in James 1:22 we are told not be hearers only but also...
by Marc
Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:25 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: THE CONTEXT OF CORNELIUS
Replies: 79
Views: 105725

Oh man your answer of Pentecost was total bogus!!

Just kidding.



What I mean is did the church begin on Pentecost in reference to Acts 2:4 or Acts 2:38?
by Marc
Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:22 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 48844

In terms of Mark 16:9-20 not only is it missing both in Aleph and B but it is also lacking in Codex Bobiensis, about 100 of the earliest Armenian manuscripts and two of the oldest Georgian manuscripts. Jerome stated that in nearly all the manuscripts he possessed this section was not there. Even in ...
by Marc
Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:29 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 48844

All are saved by faith alone can be found in Romans 4:5 and Titus 3:5, 6. It does not say "faith alone", but as I am sure you are quite aware of, there are times wheh there is more than just one way to express a truth claim. Concerning 2 Corinthians 9:13 and Romans 1:5, "The obedience of your confes...
by Marc
Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:40 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 48844

If one is not saved by faith alone then they are not saved at all.

Faith encapsulates confession (synecdoche).
by Marc
Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:33 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 48844

One must confess in order to be saved.