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by foc
Mon May 25, 2009 10:37 pm
Forum: Morality
Topic: The Christian and Self-Defense
Replies: 2
Views: 5197

Re: 2 cents, and arguably less :-)

.... Very well thought out response. My view is that there is a time to defend ourselves and those around us possibly, and there is a time to die which all of us must do some day. We see that Jesus evaded attack in Johns gospel, as did Paul in Acts. If EITHER of those men had died before it was 'ti...
by foc
Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:01 am
Forum: Morality
Topic: Can Adam be held responsible?
Replies: 12
Views: 13018

... while I do very much see what you are trying to show here ... LRR, being an atheist, attempted to show that God was unjust, thereby discrediting the Bible and the notion of God own its own admission. However, I believe it was demonstrated that he twisted the Scriptures to arrive at his desired ...
by foc
Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:53 am
Forum: Morality
Topic: Repentance and Adulterous Relationships
Replies: 14
Views: 22706

Matthew 19:3-9 What reason is given why remarriage is forbidden and why it is called "adultery"? (As with many of our articles beginnings, this is a response to a forum posters questions) Hi. Thanks for your detailed responses. Can you tell me what you believe the situation is for the *innocent* wo...
by foc
Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:48 am
Forum: Morality
Topic: Repentance and Adulterous Relationships
Replies: 14
Views: 22706

1 Corinthians 7:10,11 A married woman should not depart from her husband nor he from her. Again, divorce itself is not the will of God. But if she departs (if divorce has occurred), she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. Clearly remarriage is not a scriptural alternative. 1...
by foc
Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:47 am
Forum: Morality
Topic: Repentance and Adulterous Relationships
Replies: 14
Views: 22706

C. God Allows an Exception to the General Rule When One's Spouse Has Been Guilty of Fornication. This exception is clearly stated in Matthew 19:9 (and 5:32). "Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery" ("saving for the cause of fornicati...
by foc
Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:46 am
Forum: Morality
Topic: Repentance and Adulterous Relationships
Replies: 14
Views: 22706

Romans 7:2,3 A married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives. This means that if she is married to another man while her first husband is alive, she is guilty of adultery. She is free to remarry without guilt only if her husband is dead. The wife is bound by law until the husband...
by foc
Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:43 am
Forum: Morality
Topic: Repentance and Adulterous Relationships
Replies: 14
Views: 22706

1 Corinthians 7:2-5 - To avoid fornication, one is to satisfy the sexual desire with and only with "his own wife" or "her own husband." Our own marriage companion is the only one who has power over our body. If we satisfy this desire with anyone else, the passage says it would be fornication, wheth...
by foc
Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:42 am
Forum: Morality
Topic: Repentance and Adulterous Relationships
Replies: 14
Views: 22706

1 Corinthians 7:10,11 This explains why, if a woman divorces her husband, she still has no right to remarry. She may get divorced in the eyes of civil law, and God calls it "divorce" and says she is now "unmarried." But that does not free her from her bond or covenant obligation to her first husban...
by foc
Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:40 am
Forum: Morality
Topic: Repentance and Adulterous Relationships
Replies: 14
Views: 22706

What is fornication? Definitions: "illicit sexual intercourse in general" (Thayer); "every kind of unlawful sexual intercourse" (Arndt and Gingrich). Fornication includes any form of sexual intercourse with anyone other than ones scriptural spouse, regardless of whether that person be of the opposi...
by foc
Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:40 am
Forum: Morality
Topic: Repentance and Adulterous Relationships
Replies: 14
Views: 22706

VERY contradictory article, friend. 1 Corinthians 7:10,11 A married woman should not depart from her husband nor he from her. Again, divorce itself is not the will of God. But if she departs (if divorce has occurred), she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. Clearly remarriage...
by foc
Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:57 pm
Forum: Morality
Topic: Repentance and Adulterous Relationships
Replies: 14
Views: 22706

In speaking about an adulterous union, I didn't simply mean remarriage after divorce. With the divorce being for fornication by one's spouse (Matthew 19:9), the innocent party could marry again without their relationship being adulterous. On the other hand, if the divorce was for a reason other tha...
by foc
Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:27 am
Forum: Morality
Topic: Polygyny: Can a man Scripturally have multiple wives?
Replies: 52
Views: 91332

Hugh, youre problem is youre just like every other legalist Ive ever met. If it isnt spelled out in big, bold letters that scream out "I TOLERATE POLYGAMY BUT IT WAS NOT MY WILL FOR MARRIAGE" then you pretty much believe you can make it say whatever you want. This is posted for the readers, btw, si...
by foc
Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:35 pm
Forum: Morality
Topic: Repentance and Adulterous Relationships
Replies: 14
Views: 22706

Re: Repentance and Adulterous Relationships

Hello. Is it mandatory for one to dissolve an adulterous union before he is baptized? I only ask this because the parties who are in an adulterous union may hear a message that doesn't talk about marriage, divorce, and rema rriage, and one (or both) may decide to get baptized. Would their baptism b...
by foc
Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:17 pm
Forum: Morality
Topic: Repentance and Adulterous Relationships
Replies: 14
Views: 22706

Re: Repentance and Adulterous Relationships

Hello. Is it mandatory for one to dissolve an adulterous union before he is baptized? I only ask this because the parties who are in an adulterous union may hear a message that doesn't talk about marriage, divorce, and rema rriage, and one (or both) may decide to get baptized. Would their baptism b...
by foc
Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:07 am
Forum: Morality
Topic: Polygyny: Can a man Scripturally have multiple wives?
Replies: 52
Views: 91332

Dear READER You will have to go thru the scriptures yourself and decide what YOU believe in this matter, not allowing anyone here to push you into believing anything one way or the other. Since scripture as a WHOLE neither encourages nor outright prohibits polygamy, you will have to decide whether ...
by foc
Sun Dec 16, 2007 5:52 pm
Forum: Morality
Topic: The Guilty Party & Remarriage
Replies: 3
Views: 6214

Very good post, JSM17. I think there is a very good harmony in scripture that shows just how holy the marriage covenant is to God. Holy so that He does not want it to be ended but to be for a lifetime; and holy so that He tolerates it being ended if the breach is extreme enough. What is sad is when ...
by foc
Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:16 pm
Forum: Morality
Topic: Can Adam be held responsible?
Replies: 12
Views: 13018

In Genesis 3:5 (NAS) For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened and ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil. while I do very much see what you are trying to show here, a concept of 'good' and 'evil' was not necessary to know and fully comprehend that the big ...
by foc
Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:58 pm
Forum: Morality
Topic: The Guilty Party & Remarriage
Replies: 3
Views: 6214

Re: The Guilty Party & Remarriage

Can the one, who is divorced for the purpose of "fornication", remarry when their now "old" spouse dies ( Romans 7:1-3 )? Does the death of a spouse give eligibility to remarriage, no matter what the circumstance (even in the case of unscriptural divorce)? Thank You Remarriage is only forbidden in ...
by foc
Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:08 pm
Forum: Morality
Topic: Divorce and remarriage
Replies: 15
Views: 23683

"Remain Unmarried or reconcile” vs "not in bondage" Wm Tipton (FoC) Assertions/Conclusions of this Article We will show briefly that the commandment of the Lord to ‘remain unmarried or reconcile’ is NOT a blanket commandment in all marital situations where a breaking of the marriage is taking place...
by foc
Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:16 pm
Forum: Morality
Topic: drinking wine?
Replies: 20
Views: 27647

Very well mister Tipton, I will bother you no longer about this matter, perhaps we can talk about speaking in tongues or something? interesting. did you find anything you like on the website? There probably isnt any reason for you and I to discuss tongues. Either you believe like I do in which case...
by foc
Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:38 pm
Forum: Morality
Topic: drinking wine?
Replies: 20
Views: 27647

Often efforts are made to justify the light intake or consumption of alcoholic beverages based on the KJV rendering of Paul. The claim is advanced that since Paul places emphisis and on "excess", the imbibing of alcoholic beverages in lesser quantities is permissible. guy, you can ramble on for 100...
by foc
Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:35 am
Forum: Morality
Topic: drinking wine?
Replies: 20
Views: 27647

Ahh, I finally figured out how to stop watching this topic and getting those annoying emails.
It really shouldnt set it to watching a thread just because I post in it by default.
by foc
Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:01 am
Forum: Morality
Topic: drinking wine?
Replies: 20
Views: 27647

Here is the prohibition. Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine , wherein is excess ; Anything added beyond that is YOUR false teaching that you are giving as extra-biblical instruction. Teach that AS your own viewpoint and your are fine. Teach it as Gods own word and you are preaching falsehoods Concl...
by foc
Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:23 pm
Forum: Morality
Topic: drinking wine?
Replies: 20
Views: 27647

Facts are facts, Yes, they are. And I suggest you learn to accept the hard fact that scripture does not prohibit the drinking of fermented wine. if we are going to talk about whether somethings is permitable, we should concider the scriptural conscequences of how we will affect other Christians. I ...
by foc
Sat Jul 21, 2007 5:28 pm
Forum: Morality
Topic: drinking wine?
Replies: 20
Views: 27647

What about being an example to other Christians.Do you not have that reponsibility? So what are we discussing here, poster....that wine is unlawful or our responsibility to others? Make up your mind what the issue is here. Either wine is UNLAWFUL in Gods word and Ill require PROOF of that fact....o...
by foc
Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:55 pm
Forum: Morality
Topic: drinking wine?
Replies: 20
Views: 27647

I had a longer post, but decided to delete it and post what is simply a clear refutation to your erroneous views. you either accept Gods word or you push your personal agendas instead. Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine , wherein is excess ; Conclusions from that verse. 1. FERMENTED 'wine' MUST be ...
by foc
Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:15 am
Forum: Morality
Topic: drinking wine?
Replies: 20
Views: 27647

First of all the "wine" of the bible in the first century is not the same wine that people drink today. This is a fact that can be concluded after a little investigation. However most who advocate such bad habits would not take the time to investigate that. What, was it some new space age wine, the...
by foc
Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:37 pm
Forum: Morality
Topic: drinking wine?
Replies: 20
Views: 27647

Re: drinking wine?

1. Is drinking wine wrong biblicly? I don't believe it because Noah drank wine, and so did Jesus. I know that the bible tells us not to be drunk, but does it say not to drink wine? I've heard people say "you shouldn't drink alcohol because it is bad for you and you are suppose to look after your bo...
by foc
Wed Jul 18, 2007 5:05 pm
Forum: Morality
Topic: Polygyny: Can a man Scripturally have multiple wives?
Replies: 52
Views: 91332

Re: foc, you follow me around.

........irrelevance deleted.................... The elder monogamy requirement never says the state is ideal. That God intended monogamy, that Polygyny is somehow substandard. I know you interpret it that way, but it doesn't say that and therefore, you lie. Furthermore, since we have had this discu...
by foc
Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:58 pm
Forum: Morality
Topic: Polygyny: Can a man Scripturally have multiple wives?
Replies: 52
Views: 91332

Re: Polygyny: Can a man Scripturally have multiple wives?

Until someone proves that Im incorrect to MY satisfaction, Hugh, THIS is what I will continue to believe. A man 'can' have more than one wife and not be committing 'sin', yes. But the manner in which God created the marriage covenant and the limitations placed on those in leadership in the church of...
by foc
Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:55 pm
Forum: Morality
Topic: Polygyny: Can a man Scripturally have multiple wives?
Replies: 52
Views: 91332

Re: It's still a lie.

No, it's a lie. I am easily proven the liar by you quoting a verse or two, but you cannot, because there aren't any so you lie. If it were a lie, then there would be no need to limit a deacon or elder to one wife, would there? ;) I take it you are the neighborhood problem here at this forum? How ab...
by foc
Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:45 pm
Forum: Morality
Topic: Polygyny: Can a man Scripturally have multiple wives?
Replies: 52
Views: 91332

Re: Bald Faced.

"But the manner in which God created the marriage covenant and the limitations placed on those in leadership in the church of not having more than a single wife show us that, while it is tolerated, polygany is not Gods will for marriage and is to be avoided by believers if they arent already in pol...
by foc
Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:32 pm
Forum: Morality
Topic: Polygyny: Can a man Scripturally have multiple wives?
Replies: 52
Views: 91332

Re: Polygyny: Can a man Scripturally have multiple wives?

Polygyny: Can a man Scripturally have multiple wives? Hugh A man 'can' have more than one wife and not be committing 'sin', yes. But the manner in which God created the marriage covenant and the limitations placed on those in leadership in the church of not having more than a single wife show us th...
by foc
Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:30 pm
Forum: Morality
Topic: Divorce and remarriage
Replies: 15
Views: 23683

m273p15c wrote: ...I do not see how Jesus could have more clearly stated an exception to the marriage law... I see several things to be addressed in this (Mt. 19:9, 5:32) and supporting verses, but I'd like to make the single comment that Jesus doesn't seem to include 'remarriage' with the allowanc...
by foc
Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:20 pm
Forum: Morality
Topic: Divorce and remarriage
Replies: 15
Views: 23683

Re: Divorce and remarriage

Is divorce allowable based on Matthew 5:32 and Matthew 19:9? Thayer defines "porneia" in these passages as "used of adultery" (Thayer's Greek English Lexicon). If so does the offending party have the biblical right to marry again? Where there is an actual breach of the marriage covenant and the inn...
by foc
Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:17 pm
Forum: Morality
Topic: Should a Christian marry a divorcee?
Replies: 1
Views: 5420

Re: Should a Christian marry a divorcee?

Should a Christian marry a divorcee? Id say it depends. Is this divorcee a believer with a believing ex spouse? If so, unless there is reason to believe that the ex spouse isnt actually a true believer, such as ongoing harlotry, then I personally believe that if neither has remarried that Pauls wor...