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by Marc
Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:09 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: The conversion of Cornelius (baptism not necessary) - #3
Replies: 77
Views: 160003

Acts 11:15 archomai

Those who are afar off can refer to the Jews of the Diaspora (Daniel 9:7). And as already pointed out the "promise" mentioned in Acts 2:38 can not possibly refer to the Gentiles: 1. Jews - be baptized - receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38) 2. Gentiles - receive the gift of the Holy Spirit...
by Marc
Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:18 am
Forum: Calvinism
Topic: Once Saved...Always Saved!
Replies: 36
Views: 71369

No Christ was never wrong. All false Christians will be cut off. I guess you don't believe God when He writes that no created thing can separate us from His love and that the truth will be in the Christian forever. If a Christian is disobedient to Him He will discipline them as a "son" (Hebrews 12:6...
by Marc
Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:07 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: only belief is required for salvation
Replies: 41
Views: 80620

Why can't it be a play on words? "Faith without works is dead" (James 2:17) but notice what it doesn't say - "faith without works in not faith". The nearest syntactical parallel to James 2:17 is found in Romans 7:8. It reads "apart from the Law sin is dead". Does that mean that it was "false sin" be...
by Marc
Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:13 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: ONE BAPTISM Is it Water or is it Spirit or both
Replies: 12
Views: 25816

Mark 16:9-20 is not in the earliest Greek manuscripts (among others) so is therefore too unreliable of a text to base any doctrine on.
by Marc
Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:18 am
Forum: Morality
Topic: THE SIN OF LYING
Replies: 0
Views: 10304

THE SIN OF LYING

Some may view this as splitting hairs but something has been bothering me and it has to do with telling the truth and lying. When I was in South Korea and Japan some of the people there would speak to me in their native tongue. In Korea I would reply something like "hanguk mal motayo" (I don't speak...
by Marc
Wed May 31, 2006 6:11 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: Are they really the same thing?
Replies: 14
Views: 28457

Some can believe and not confess (John 12:42). I never wrote that it "always" means this. It "can" mean this and I demonstrated this in the case of Acts 2:38, 41 and 44 which of course (as usual) you simply pretended I didn't even write it.
by Marc
Wed May 31, 2006 6:03 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: The conversion of Cornelius (baptism not necessary) - #3
Replies: 77
Views: 160003

I have no problem that people can be given certain power after the apostles laid their hands on them. I agree they would have received the gift of the Holy Spirit upon their water baptism for as Jews they would have fallen under the conditions of Acts 2:38. But the fact remains that Cornelius was gi...
by Marc
Wed May 31, 2006 5:47 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: only belief is required for salvation
Replies: 41
Views: 80620

Are you always this deceitful when you correspond with someone? You left out the last sentence of the quote - it was simply a play on words. The Lord didn't always correct people's misunderstanding but would incorporate their misunderstanding in His answer.

Another dodge rides again (Romans 4:5).
by Marc
Wed May 31, 2006 5:37 am
Forum: Calvinism
Topic: Once Saved...Always Saved!
Replies: 36
Views: 71369

John 15 refers to people like Judas and other false Christians. Romans 11:22 Paul is referring to then Gentiles as "a group". If the Jews could fall out of favor with God so could they. "Carnal" yet "in Christ" (1 Corinthians 3:1). No creaed thing can separate the Christian from the love of God and ...
by Marc
Sun May 28, 2006 10:15 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: The conversion of Cornelius (baptism not necessary) - #3
Replies: 77
Views: 160003

We simply do not know if the people in Acts 19 were Gentiles or not. And since there is no way of knowing with certainty we must go by what is clear (Acts 2 is clear that they were Jews while Acts 10 is clear that they were Gentiles). In any event these individuals received the Holy Spirit not based...
by Marc
Sun May 28, 2006 10:03 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: ONE BAPTISM Is it Water or is it Spirit or both
Replies: 12
Views: 25816

In answer to your first question the conversion of Cornelius shows that it is an outward sign of an inward grace since he was saved before he was water baptized. Is paratking the Lord's Supper optional. Do you tell people after they havee been baptized that they still aren't saved until they partake...
by Marc
Sun May 28, 2006 10:00 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: Are they really the same thing?
Replies: 14
Views: 28457

In Acts 2:38 and 41 it reads that they were baptized but in Acts 2:44 it reads that all who had "believed" were together. Believed encapsulates that they had repented and had been baptized.
by Marc
Sun May 28, 2006 9:52 pm
Forum: Calvinism
Topic: Once Saved...Always Saved!
Replies: 36
Views: 71369

I haver no problem that the things in Romans 8 are external. Satan would love for a Christian to lose their salvation and would do everything possible to accomplish this goal. But if he is successful then he is the cause of separating the Christian from God's love and this passage declares that this...
by Marc
Sun May 28, 2006 2:46 pm
Forum: Calvinism
Topic: Once Saved...Always Saved!
Replies: 36
Views: 71369

Who would want us to lose our salvation? Satan and his demons. So if they could convince us to listen to and obey them (and thus disobey God) they have separated us from the love of Christ which this passage denies they can do. Do you read what I write in my posts? In terms of 2 John 2 (in which you...
by Marc
Sun May 28, 2006 2:38 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: ONE BAPTISM Is it Water or is it Spirit or both
Replies: 12
Views: 25816

I'm not sure if I could have expressed this truth better than you just did.
by Marc
Sun May 28, 2006 6:07 am
Forum: Calvinism
Topic: Once Saved...Always Saved!
Replies: 36
Views: 71369

I was intent on replying to your misunderstandings but then I couldn't help but notice you are still hiding ducking and dodging from Romans 8:35-39 and 2 John 2.

A conversation is a two way not a one way street.
by Marc
Sun May 28, 2006 6:01 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: ONE BAPTISM Is it Water or is it Spirit or both
Replies: 12
Views: 25816

That refers to water baptism. The text in question though is Ephesians 4:5 and that is talking about being baptized with the Holy Spirit.
by Marc
Sun May 28, 2006 5:58 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: Are they really the same thing?
Replies: 14
Views: 28457

Nice non-answer.
by Marc
Sat May 27, 2006 7:02 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: Are they really the same thing?
Replies: 14
Views: 28457

Believe can be a synecdoche for confession and repentance. It encapsulates both of them. Ephesians 1:13 reads after one "believes" they are sealed with the Holy Spirit. Again "believe" is a synecdoche that would include the fact that they had confessed and repented.
by Marc
Sat May 27, 2006 1:11 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: ONE BAPTISM Is it Water or is it Spirit or both
Replies: 12
Views: 25816

The one baptism in Ephesians 4:5 does not mean that there is "only one" baptism but that there is only one baptism "that is necessary in placing a person in the body of Christ" - and that is being baptized with the Holy Spirit. All Christians have been baptized with the Holy Spirit. If you have not ...
by Marc
Sat May 27, 2006 1:06 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: Are they really the same thing?
Replies: 14
Views: 28457

In Acts 18:8 did they confess and repent before they were baptized?
by Marc
Sat May 27, 2006 1:04 pm
Forum: Calvinism
Topic: Once Saved...Always Saved!
Replies: 36
Views: 71369

I don't want to follow my own rules. How so? I am sticking to my two passages and responding to your two passages. We will be judged by our works but that has nothing to do with salvation but of the rewards we will receive. 1 John 2:19 says that if anyone does not remain they were never saved to beg...
by Marc
Sat May 27, 2006 12:59 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: only belief is required for salvation
Replies: 41
Views: 80620

Belief being a work is simply a play on words.
Repentance and confession are synecdoches for belief. In Acts 18:8 did they confess?
I noticed you (as in typical fashion) totally dodged Romans 4:5.
by Marc
Wed May 24, 2006 10:36 am
Forum: Calvinism
Topic: Once Saved...Always Saved!
Replies: 36
Views: 71369

No you didn't really address those two passages. You made an attempt at it but I refuted what you wrote and then you just dropped it and only wanted to stick with the passages you brought up.

In terms of apostasy a person who is truely a Christian can not apostatize (1 John 2:19).

- Marc
by Marc
Wed May 24, 2006 10:31 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: only belief is required for salvation
Replies: 41
Views: 80620

Your last sentence read, "The statement that salvation is by faith alone is a false doctrine." I noticed you didn't refute the passage(s) I based the belief that we are saved by faith alone. He that asserts must prove. In terms of repentance being necessary for salvation it is necessary for salvatio...
by Marc
Sun May 21, 2006 11:37 am
Forum: Calvinism
Topic: Once Saved...Always Saved!
Replies: 36
Views: 71369

Concerning Galatians 5:4 I wrote "another way to look at this".

This is now more than one time I have asked you to respond to what I have written about Romans 8:35-39 and 2 John 2. We'll have to wait and see if you ever get around to doing it.

- Marc
by Marc
Sun May 21, 2006 8:43 am
Forum: Calvinism
Topic: Once Saved...Always Saved!
Replies: 36
Views: 71369

Did Paul believe that one could be justified by the Law as he stated in Galatians 5:4 even though he just wrote that this is impossible (Galatians 2:16)?

A conversation is a two way not a one way street. You are still dodging Romans 8:35-39 and 2 John 2.

- Marc
by Marc
Sat May 20, 2006 10:08 pm
Forum: Calvinism
Topic: Once Saved...Always Saved!
Replies: 36
Views: 71369

Another way to look at Galatians 5:4 - Just as Paul stated earlier the impossibilty of being justified by the Law (Galatians 2:16) so too he is stating that impossibilty of falling from grace. Both are purely hypothetical. You can't be justified by the Law just as you can't fall from grace. Apostasy...
by Marc
Sat May 20, 2006 8:55 pm
Forum: Calvinism
Topic: Once Saved...Always Saved!
Replies: 36
Views: 71369

Concerning Romans 8:35-39 no created thing can separate the Christian from the love of God. If we can lose our salvation by listening to and obeying the voice of Satan and/or his demons then we lost it because of created things the very thing that this passage denies. Does God love Satan (a creature...
by Marc
Fri May 19, 2006 11:04 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: The conversion of Cornelius (baptism not necessary) - #3
Replies: 77
Views: 160003

Those in Acts 19:1-7 is not a clear cut case as to if they are Gentiles. You write that the new birth is two elements not one! WATER AND SPIRIT. By the Lord Jesus' reaction to Nicodemus in John 3:10 He "expected" him to know that He was talking about. How would Nicodemus be expected to know about th...
by Marc
Fri May 19, 2006 10:42 pm
Forum: Calvinism
Topic: Once Saved...Always Saved!
Replies: 36
Views: 71369

Interesting ploy that you are engaged in. Ignore my original post and just keep giving more passages which you you (incorrectly) believe a person can lose their salvation. As I wrote earlier I will choose just two passages that declare this God inspired truth. They are Romans 8:35-39 and 2 John 2. W...
by Marc
Mon May 15, 2006 9:00 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: The conversion of Cornelius (baptism not necessary) - #3
Replies: 77
Views: 160003

Hey! Just thought I'd add explain something in regards to John 19:11 in terms of those who who "delivered" (apodidomi) Christ up to Pilate committing "the greater sin". I am well aware of the fact that the text says "he" that delivered Christ up but "he" can be used as a plural. If I said, "He who s...
by Marc
Sun May 14, 2006 9:31 pm
Forum: Calvinism
Topic: Once Saved...Always Saved!
Replies: 36
Views: 71369

savage wolves will come in "among you" (Acts 20:29).
there will also be false teachers "among you" (2 Peter 2:1).

- Marc
by Marc
Sun May 14, 2006 9:03 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: The conversion of Cornelius (baptism not necessary) - #3
Replies: 77
Views: 160003

You never addressed the fact that I have shown that the Holy Spirit has "fallen upon" all Christians. I don't baptize anyone with the Holy Spirit. Christ does. You assume I teach more than one gospel. I do not. All need to repent to be saved do they not? If two men wanted to come to Christ and one w...
by Marc
Sun May 14, 2006 3:16 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: The conversion of Cornelius (baptism not necessary) - #3
Replies: 77
Views: 160003

All persons have had the Holy Spirit "fall upon" them. To have the Holy Spirit "fall upon" you and to have the Holy Spirit "poured out" upon you is the same thing (Acts 10:44, 45) and as already been shown all Christians have had the Holy Spirit "poured out" upon them (Acts 10:45 cf. Titus 3:6). Thu...
by Marc
Sun May 14, 2006 3:05 pm
Forum: Calvinism
Topic: Once Saved...Always Saved!
Replies: 36
Views: 71369

As already stated not "everyone" in a church is necessarily saved. They fell from the grace which they once professed. It was a mere profession. By seeking to be justified by the Law they thus fell from the grace they falsely professed. I have given several passage that show that one can not lose th...
by Marc
Sun May 14, 2006 1:20 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: The conversion of Cornelius (baptism not necessary) - #3
Replies: 77
Views: 160003

Cornelius was not saved before Peter met him. He shall tell you words whereby you will be saved. "Will be" means he is not saved now. Otherwise you have him saved then saved.

- Marc
by Marc
Sun May 14, 2006 12:24 pm
Forum: Calvinism
Topic: Once Saved...Always Saved!
Replies: 36
Views: 71369

There might be some in this church, as there are in other churches, who are mere nominal Christians. They may have made a declaration that they trusted in Christ but their true colors are showing in that they never really did trust in Christ but are in fact trusting in the Law.

- Marc
by Marc
Sun May 14, 2006 12:06 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: The conversion of Cornelius (baptism not necessary) - #3
Replies: 77
Views: 160003

The one baptism of Ephesians 4:5 is being baptized with the Holy Spirit. This is not deny that water baptism is to take place but being baptized with the Holy Spirit is the "one baptism" that is necessary in placing the person into the body of Christ. For anyone to believe that being baptized with t...
by Marc
Sun May 14, 2006 12:05 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: The conversion of Cornelius (baptism not necessary) - #3
Replies: 77
Views: 160003

The one baptism of Ephesians 4:5 is being baptized with the Holy Spirit. This is not deny that water baptism is to take place but being baptized with the Holy Spirit is the "one baptism" that is necessary in placing the person into the body of Christ. For anyone to believe that being baptized with t...
by Marc
Sun May 07, 2006 8:42 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: The conversion of Cornelius (baptism not necessary) - #3
Replies: 77
Views: 160003

...and as I have already shown from the Bible the baptism with the Holy Spirit did not end. All Christians have been baptized with the Holy Spirit. If you have not been baptized with the Holy Spirit then you are not a Christian. For according to Acts 10:45 and 11:16 to have the Holy Spirit "poured o...
by Marc
Mon May 01, 2006 11:30 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: only belief is required for salvation
Replies: 41
Views: 80620

You quoted Colossians 2 but did not address that I mentioned Galatians 6:1. In Colossians 2 Paul is talking about their "former" state. In the Galatian passage he is talking about their "current" state. That is what James is talking about in James 5. Oh and by the way I couldn't help but notice you ...
by Marc
Mon May 01, 2006 11:19 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: The conversion of Cornelius (baptism not necessary) - #3
Replies: 77
Views: 160003

Rip the staements of the articel out of context? Wishful thinking on your part. Yes they will be immersed in judgment by God. I agree. That is what baptism with fire means. But just as those who are baptized with fire are eternally separated from God so too all those who are baptized with the Holy S...
by Marc
Mon May 01, 2006 5:22 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: only belief is required for salvation
Replies: 41
Views: 80620

You wrote, "It is not me you stand against but God". Let's stop this I am right because I agree with God but you are wrong because you don't agree with me therefore you don't agree with God garbage. Was circumcision a "command" before the Law (Geneis 17:11)? I see you didn't address at all what I wr...
by Marc
Mon May 01, 2006 4:59 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: The conversion of Cornelius (baptism not necessary) - #3
Replies: 77
Views: 160003

You wrote that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is not two different classes of people but one single class with two actions rendered. Thereby equating the two. To begin with even the moderataors of this forum disagree with your assertion: http://www.insearchoftruth.org/articles/one_baptism.html Fur...
by Marc
Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:34 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: only belief is required for salvation
Replies: 41
Views: 80620

Now that it has been made clear that salvation is by faith alone in Romans 4 I will address your misunderstanding of James. Only two times in his book is "save" and "soul" together in a passage. They are in 1:21 and 5:20. So in order to understand what 1:21 entails 5:20 is the place to be. James 5:1...
by Marc
Sat Apr 29, 2006 12:04 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: The conversion of Cornelius (baptism not necessary) - #3
Replies: 77
Views: 160003

Matthew 3:10-12 And the axe is already laid at the root of the trees; every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire (v.10). As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His s...
by Marc
Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:16 pm
Forum: Calvinism
Topic: Once Saved...Always Saved!
Replies: 36
Views: 71369

Yes you can remove yourself from fellowship (not salvation as shown from the passages I originally gave) with God and the text you cited correlates well with James 1:15 and 1 Corinthians 11:30. Continued unrepentant sin may be a cause for a premature death of the Christian.
by Marc
Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:08 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: only belief is required for salvation
Replies: 41
Views: 80620

Let's see who is twisting Scripture. The context of James 1 is referring to physical life. This is seen in 1:21 where it refers to physical preservation not eternal salvation. In virtually everytime in the LXX (Geneis 32:30; 1 Samuel 19:11; Psalms 72:13; 109:3) and the NT when "save the soul" is use...
by Marc
Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:13 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: only belief is required for salvation
Replies: 41
Views: 80620

Saved from what? A premature physical death which sin causes (James 1:15). James goes on to use Rahab and Abraham as examples. By hiding the spies her physical life was preserved (saved). So too with Abraham, if he didn't offer his son Isaac up the Lord would have taken his physical life just like H...

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