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by JSM17
Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:56 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: At what point is one saved ????????
Replies: 6
Views: 17950

I am really suprised that I have no partakers for this post, something that seems so easy for so many to argue about. The simple task of setting this items in order seems to be tough our useless. Again this post is for the purpose of showing how logical all these things go together. I will even help...
by JSM17
Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:31 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: What is Hades?
Replies: 14
Views: 33248

Let me get us started with this thought: John 20:16-17 17 Jesus said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'" NASU Christ died and told the thief on the cross tha...
by JSM17
Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:14 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: What is Hades?
Replies: 14
Views: 33248

What is Hades?

What is Hades, is it hell, is it paradise? Did Christ decend into hell like some denominations (Lutherans) teach? Did Christ ascend into heaven when He died? When Christ told the thief on the cross that "today you will be with me in paradise", what did He mean by that? Do we go straight to hell or h...
by JSM17
Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:35 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: what is the "doctrine of Christ" in II John 1:9 ?
Replies: 1
Views: 9733

In light of the problems with gnostics in the first century, who taught a needed separation of body and spirit, denied that Christ came in the flesh, because they held to the philosophy that the flesh was evil and the spirit was good. These people were a problem for Christians John has been speaking...
by JSM17
Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:20 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: Implications of Thief on the Cross: Saved by Faith Only?
Replies: 70
Views: 135992

Implications of the thief on the cross, saved by faith ALONE? YES OR NO Actually the point that I really am at with all this is that no one, I mean no one including the thief on the cross was saved by faith ALONE! If you answer yes then I have shown how the thief was not saved by his own subjective ...
by JSM17
Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:11 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: Implications of Thief on the Cross: Saved by Faith Only?
Replies: 70
Views: 135992

Your last post and the one before the last does not fit together, because in the one you stated that: If wants to save someone he can. If he said it then it will happen. Here is the important point I feel we need to make sure of. The new covanent was not in place until the death and ressurection of ...
by JSM17
Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:29 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: Implications of Thief on the Cross: Saved by Faith Only?
Replies: 70
Views: 135992

May I be humbled before those who do not understand my intent to be merly zealous and not angry, for I know none of you other than that the good GOD in heaven made you and I mean no disrespect to anyone. I merly set out an arguement that deserves attention in regards to your bold statement concernin...
by JSM17
Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:30 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: BAPTISM:"AN OUTWARD SIGN OF AN INWARD GRACE?"
Replies: 2
Views: 14051

I think it is wonderful that sometimes we can introduce a topic and we do not have to advocate were we stand, at least not yet. The purpose of this post comes from the "Thief on the cross" post. I think it is good for people to be able to articulate their point and their reason for why they say cert...
by JSM17
Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:15 pm
Forum: Introduction
Topic: Hello!
Replies: 1
Views: 11314

Welcome, we are glad you are here. One thing that makes this forum great is the fact that people have different opinions and views, yet there is one truth. So the question is who is following God in the right manner, who is really rightly dividing the word. We look forward to your input, again welco...
by JSM17
Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:42 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: At what point is one saved ????????
Replies: 6
Views: 17950

This is a challenge that should easily be refuted by the evangelical world, I know it seems gamish (if that is even a word) but it will serve its purpose if people would step up to the challenge and put these things in order. Certainly if we have assurance in Christ then these items shall be a breez...
by JSM17
Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:23 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: BAPTISM:"AN OUTWARD SIGN OF AN INWARD GRACE?"
Replies: 2
Views: 14051

BAPTISM:"AN OUTWARD SIGN OF AN INWARD GRACE?"

Well here it is a chance to shoot holes into the biblical fact that baptism puts one into Christ, into His death burial and resurrection. Romans 6:3, 4 A chance to prove that baptism is only a sign of ones salvation, not the procurement of it in the steps of obedience to Christ. Prove that baptism i...
by JSM17
Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:12 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: Implications of Thief on the Cross: Saved by Faith Only?
Replies: 70
Views: 135992

Yet again I am confused how this all ties in with the thief on the cross, certainly to debate the salvation of one who by no means is an example of God's NEW COVENANT with me or anyone else today is of no avail. To acknowledge something partly is to not acknowledge it at all. To call something white...
by JSM17
Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:05 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: Implications of Thief on the Cross: Saved by Faith Only?
Replies: 70
Views: 135992

I am not sure how your (Luke1) last post helps your unproven theory of salvation by faith alone, in fact it almost seems to me to disprove again your ideas of this dead faith called salvation by faith alone.
by JSM17
Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:03 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: THE CONTEXT OF CORNELIUS
Replies: 79
Views: 139789

I do believe you have understood me correctly. When we see the connection between the Apostles on the day of Pentecost and how they recieved the Holy Spirit (for a sign to those who were to recieve the message) and the Gentiles (Cornelius and houshold) recieve the Holy Spirit also for the same purpo...
by JSM17
Sun Dec 10, 2006 4:23 pm
Forum: Jesus and God
Topic: HOLY SPIRIT NEITHER A PERSON NOR A GOD
Replies: 2
Views: 12081

You make some interesting points, worth looking into. I agree that most people coming into the realm of Christianity find themselves latching on to things because that is what their counterpart also teach and believe, but we need to be accountable to the things in which we believe and the things we ...
by JSM17
Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:15 pm
Forum: Evidences and Apologetics
Topic: The Atheist's proof for God
Replies: 17
Views: 36949

I am thankful for your post m273p15c and I think it was done very well. I do not think your post forces anything upon anyone, since we choose to read what we want. The post was not accusing or judgemental, infact I think it is unfortunate that Mark Shepherd assumes that you have not taken the time t...
by JSM17
Sat Dec 09, 2006 3:00 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 64893

1 John 4:12-16 No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us.13 By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit .14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of ...
by JSM17
Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:52 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: THE CONTEXT OF CORNELIUS
Replies: 79
Views: 139789

Since I started talking about Acts 10 and Cornelius the conversations have gone in many directions, certainly we all struggle with ideas concerning this man. I introduced some thoughts concerning this man and his family a while back, this thought where in an infant state because of my lack of studyi...
by JSM17
Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:08 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: In the Day of Judgement
Replies: 11
Views: 24434

NO MAN WILL BE SAVED APART FROM CHRIST!
by JSM17
Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:02 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: Implications of Thief on the Cross: Saved by Faith Only?
Replies: 70
Views: 135992

It certainly has ran it course, we have shown many different ways to view this scripture. I thought one more would be fun. The bible says that we are saved by HOPE, may I ask what hope are we saved by. Were the Old Testament figures (people) saved by faith alone? Here is a thought to ponder when dea...
by JSM17
Sat Dec 09, 2006 1:47 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: only belief is required for salvation
Replies: 41
Views: 80459

Please go to the post titled James vs. Paul and read it to see where Marcs comments lead to.
by JSM17
Sat Dec 09, 2006 1:33 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: At what point is one saved ????????
Replies: 6
Views: 17950

NO I AM NOT, ARE YOU? Rev 2:10 Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life. NKJV Maybe you have misunderstood the intentions of my post? To better understand my position of this matter which has nothing to do with my original post look at the post ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED!. I am ju...
by JSM17
Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:13 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: At what point is one saved ????????
Replies: 6
Views: 17950

First it is not a game, it is a way for people to see the movement of the things of obedience, and to see where logically things fall into place. You do not have to post if you do not wish to place these things in order, the point was and is that at a certain point within these items one receives sa...
by JSM17
Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:54 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: Implications of Thief on the Cross: Saved by Faith Only?
Replies: 70
Views: 135992

There is no doubt that people today are saved by faith, that point has been made no doubt time and time again, the question at hand is when does that faith save a person? Talking about the thief on the cross is like beating a dead horse , it will get you no where, move on into the New Covenant, won'...
by JSM17
Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:45 pm
Forum: Evidences and Apologetics
Topic: Does Mark 16:9-20 belong in your Bible?
Replies: 35
Views: 82428

Yes but what makes it unreliable to you?
by JSM17
Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:44 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: FAITH ALONE TEACHES SALVATION BY A DEAD FAITH
Replies: 2
Views: 9306

This maybe a first time that we actually agree.

Now does repentance and confession preceed or proceed faith?
by JSM17
Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:41 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: At what point is one saved ????????
Replies: 6
Views: 17950

At what point is one saved ????????

Please put these things in order!


BAPTISM
LOVING GOD
REPENTANCE OF SIN
BELIEVING IN CHRIST
CONFESSING CHRIST
SALVATION OCCURS
HEARING THE GOSPEL
RECEIVING THE HOLY SPIRIT


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ALL THESE THINGS ARE FOUND IN THE N.T., PUT THEM IN ORDER IN WHICH THEY TAKE PLACE FOR US TODAY!
by JSM17
Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:58 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: THE GREAT COMMISSION, who really believes what Christ said?
Replies: 14
Views: 27924

Not everything is a war, I out together the truth in which I see and have learned not everything is charge against you. When a disciple becomes saved is he no longer a disciple? It seems to me that Jesus is asjing us to help people learn what it means to be saved, if one become a learner but never g...
by JSM17
Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:53 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: WHAT PETER SAYS ABOUT WATER BAPTISM!
Replies: 2
Views: 9481

Whatever it takes for you to change the meaning, that is what you will go with. Look at the context of these verses, I am not assuming anything that is not present within the context, Type and Anti-types are different than pictures of something else, one is a mold of the other, one pictures the othe...
by JSM17
Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:31 pm
Forum: Evidences and Apologetics
Topic: Does Mark 16:9-20 belong in your Bible?
Replies: 35
Views: 82428

Does Mark 16:9-20 belong in your Bible?

Does it belong there? Or does it need to be thrown out, because of what Jesus said about baptism, many seek to dismiss the end of Mark, but the evidence shows that it should be there. So when Jesus said what he said in verses 15, 16 they belong there, and they are synoptic verses of Matt. 28:18. Som...
by JSM17
Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:04 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: WHAT PETER SAYS ABOUT WATER BAPTISM!
Replies: 2
Views: 9481

WHAT PETER SAYS ABOUT WATER BAPTISM!

1 PETER 3:21

SINFUL------------------------------CLEANSED

WORLD------------"FLOOD----------WORLD
------------------ ("TUPOS")



SINFUL----------------------------------CLEANSED

REALM-------------"BAPTISM"-----------REALM
-----------------("ANTITUPOS")
by JSM17
Sun Nov 26, 2006 7:59 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: FAITH ALONE TEACHES SALVATION BY A DEAD FAITH
Replies: 2
Views: 9306

FAITH ALONE TEACHES SALVATION BY A DEAD FAITH

A DEADLY PARALLEL- JAMES 2:26

1. BODY+SPIRIT=LIVE MAN
BODY-SPIRIT=DEAD MAN

2. FAITH+WORKS=LIVE FAITH
FAITH-WORKS=DEAD FAITH

fAITH ALONE ADVOCATES TEACH SALVATION BY A DEAD FAITH!
by JSM17
Sun Nov 26, 2006 7:39 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: THE GREAT COMMISSION, who really believes what Christ said?
Replies: 14
Views: 27924

Make Disciples In the Greek text, Matthew 28:19 begins with a participle, literally, “having gone.” But participles may sometimes be used in the imperative (command) sense (see Friberg, pp. 809,810), hence, it is not improper to render the term as “Go” in this passage. Christ thus admonished his men...
by JSM17
Sun Nov 26, 2006 7:25 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 64893

Two baptisms one with water and one with the Holy Spirit. But there is only one which keeps the unity of the Spirit. Since you proclaim that baptism does not save then how can one be saved apart from the Holy Spirit? If all these passages mean H.S. baptism and one cannot be saved apart from the H.S....
by JSM17
Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:31 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 64893

1. Baptism is a picture of Christ's death, burial, and resurrection. Romans 6 is emphasizing that this is what water baptism is all about. The phrase "like as" in verse 3 shows us that baptism and Christ's death, etc., have a relationship to each other. Baptism is a picture of Christ's death. In oth...
by JSM17
Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:21 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 64893

Both Romans 6:3-4 and Colossians 2:12 make it clear that the baptism of these passages involves both an immersion in “something,” and a “being raised” from the same substance. This makes perfectly good sense if water baptism is in view. On the other hand, if the “Spirit” is the element of the baptis...
by JSM17
Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:06 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: THE GREAT COMMISSION, who really believes what Christ said?
Replies: 14
Views: 27924

The context of these verses clearly show use that in order to make disciples they would have to be baptized, if they were not baptized then they would not be disciples of Christ. Why is this so hard for you? There must be an understanding of the clear bible commands that man can easily follow, bapti...
by JSM17
Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:40 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: THE GREAT COMMISSION, who really believes what Christ said?
Replies: 14
Views: 27924

Matthew’s record contains the admonition to “make disciples of all the nations, immersing them into the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit…” (see 28:18-20). “Into the name of” is an expression signifying ownership1. Mark simply has it, “preach the gospel to the whole creation. He who b...
by JSM17
Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:37 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 64893

Gal 3:14 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. NASU First let me say that it is through "THE" faith, being objective not subjective, check your Greek text for the definite article. So Pa...
by JSM17
Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:09 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 64893

Some allege that the baptism commissioned by Christ was not a rite in water. Rather, they contend, it is an immersion in the Holy Spirit. What are the facts regarding this matter? “How would you respond to those who make the claim that passages such as Galatains 3:27; Romans 6:3,4; Colossians 2:12; ...
by JSM17
Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:56 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 64893

Well you didn't prove that Gal. 3:27 is Holy Spirit baptism!
by JSM17
Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:54 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: THE GREAT COMMISSION, who really believes what Christ said?
Replies: 14
Views: 27924

I will observe the things that God has allowed me to be able to obey, of course God only knows, but when it comes to belief as a command can someone do this? Of course he can then, can he do other plain and simple things that God wants him to do? Sure he can, Jesus did not say go ye into the world a...
by JSM17
Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:49 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: 1000 Year reign of Christ
Replies: 29
Views: 61451

The land promises were always conditional, why do you think they went into captivity? Today the land promises are no different, look how disobedient they are, why people call that place the Holy Land is beyond me, there is nothing Holy about the land of Israel today, 80% of the people do not even be...
by JSM17
Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:43 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: THE GREAT COMMISSION, who really believes what Christ said?
Replies: 14
Views: 27924

Matt 28:18-20 18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, " All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 " Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I command...
by JSM17
Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:31 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 64893

Remission is in Christ's name (Acts 10:43) but this does not necessitate that this remission occurred when they were water baptized in His name. Christians are supposed to do all things in His name (Colossians 3:17) but that doesn't mean until they do so they are not yet saved. Gal 3:27-4:1 27 For ...
by JSM17
Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:35 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 64893

The problem is, how could the household of Cornelius have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit without having "remission of sins"? Remission was to be received "through His name" (Acts 10:43) and it was in water they were baptized "In the name of Jesus Christ" (Acts 10:48; cf. Matt. 28:18-20, Act...
by JSM17
Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:18 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: Implications of Thief on the Cross: Saved by Faith Only?
Replies: 70
Views: 135992

I do believe this scripture, I also believe the one within the context that says: Rom 10:10-11 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. NASU Looks like confession is a condition of salvation I wonder if the thief di...
by JSM17
Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:09 am
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 64893

Do all the references in the N.T. of the pouring out of the Holy Spirit refer to salvation only?
by JSM17
Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:52 pm
Forum: Calvinism
Topic: REPENTANCE A CONDITON OF SALVATION?
Replies: 0
Views: 8545

REPENTANCE A CONDITON OF SALVATION?

REPENTANCE demands not only a change of thought but a change of life style, does God save those who refuse to change. If one comes to faith has he already repented? If so how does one change his mind and turn away from sin and turn towards God before he has faith? If repentance comes after faith and...
by JSM17
Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:30 pm
Forum: Sin and Salvation
Topic: CONFESSION
Replies: 36
Views: 64893

Acts 22:16 16'Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.' NASU Yes it is a wicked web we weave over and over and over and over! Paul was saved but not until he washed away his sins, if Paul had his sins and recieved the Holy Spirit and was saved then...