Revelations 5:8-9; 14:2,3; 15:20; and 18:22
I am an Evangelist, and couldn't help but notice you left out very important details about music instruments in heaven, you need to rerevise your article and repost it, once you have it completed. Thanks
http://www.insearchoftruth.org/articles ... revelation
Please take a look at it. If you are not satisfied, I would like to know why.
May God help us to have a sincere love of truth (II Thessalonians 2:9-12),
Thank you for your patience with me, I look forward to your response.
I don't want to just ask questions, so please allow me to support my understand of Jesus' judgment. How does this passage fit with your model of Jesus?
How do you read this verse?"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' (Matthew 7:21-23 NKJV)
I don't want to argue or hurt your feelings, but I am deeply concerned that you are going to Scripture to prove what you intuit to be true. I could be wrong in my analysis, but you have made an awful lot of assertions with very little Scriptural justification. Please don't feel you have to defend yourself personally. Here's what I am really asking:
My response is simply, "Please justify all your statements with Scripture." If you work from Scripture, then we can work from a common platform and help each other.
Thank you for your patience. I look forward to a profitable Bible study for both of us.
May God help us to have a sincere love of truth,
A) there is far to much scripture on the voice so that would be foolish t even attempt, but I don't disagree with it either
B) my lacking of scriptural reference is due to the fact that the only places in the New Testament that speak of instruments in worship are in the book of Revelations, and that cannot be taken literal 100% because the book of Revelations is written in parables and with words that only humans could use to describe those things and events, words that no human vocabulary could describe, it could possibly have been angelic voices, only the Lord and the angels with him in heaven know
I support your online articles, I find them very interesting and very knowledgable to any and all who would take the time to read them, I have thoroughly enjoyed this study of the word, and will study further, and deeper into the word, this has been quite an amazing discussion and I pray God be with you in your walk with Christ have a blessed day
If you agree there is no substantial support for the mechanical instrument in the NT, would you then proceed to worship with it yourself or encourage others to do so? If so, what verses would you use to justify such action?
Thanks! And, may God help us to have a sincere love of the truth,
It is true that there is no perfect church, but I believe that is only because it is unlikely you will find a church of perfect people.
I do believe there are churches that teach the truth very close to the original NT pattern. I believe the failing of failing churches of Christ lies generally in their execution and zeal, not teaching alone. And, that "loss of first love" varies from local congregation to congregation. There are some successful churches of Christ that I believe require no "settling" for the lesser of evils. Thankfully, I am attending one now, and I am well acquainted with several others.
With that hope, may I ask you about the manifestation of the Holy Spirit in the Assemblies? I have some dear friends who are and were members of Assemblies, so I have some acquaintance with them.
If you would bear with me, I have 2 questions: One, what do you think about I Corinthians 14:22-33?
How do modern tongue-speakers satisfy these commands? Could modern assemblies of the church, which include tongue speaking, be characterized as "orderly" and "in turn", with "two or at the most three" tongue-speakers?Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe. Therefore if the whole church comes together in one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those who are uninformed or unbelievers, will they not say that you are out of your mind? But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an uninformed person comes in, he is convinced by all, he is convicted by all. And thus the secrets of his heart are revealed; and so, falling down on his face, he will worship God and report that God is truly among you. How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret. But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God. Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge. But if anything is revealed to another who sits by, let the first keep silent. For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged. And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. (I Corinthians 14:22-33 NKJV)
Second - and I mean no offense by this question, but I ask it in all earnestness - how are the miracles you have witnessed different than the miracles offered as proof of the Holy Spirit by the Mormons, charismatic Catholics, or even charismatic Muslims? (Of course, the Muslims would not speak of the Holy Spirit, but I hope you understand my point.) Furthermore, how would the miracles you have witnessed compare to the miracles of the NT?
Thank you so much for your kindness, honesty, and patience with my straight-forward questions. I appreciate your diligence in considering and prayerfully meditating on these questions.
I look forward to hearing from you.
May God help us to have a sincere love of truth,
In your last email, you mentioned that the Devil can do anything God can do, except some major miracles. May I suggest that the Devil's false prophets cannot really do much more than you and I can do. The false prophets, witches, and even the sorcerers of Egypt simply employed parlor tricks (Exodus 7:11-25; 8:1-19; 9:10-11; Daniel 2:27-28; Acts 8:9-13). They were modern day magicians performing for power, trust, authority, and money instead of just good, clean fun. But, it was just trickery. There was no miraculous power, no altering the laws of nature, no deep insight into the unknowable. Consequently -- and because of other verses I hope we can study -- like you, I have generally disregarded these modern far-out stories of miracles happening today. They have too little impact to be real miracles. But, I still wonder how you would disregard these tongue speakers' credibility but possibly still trust those around you? What is the difference for you? Maybe I have misunderstood your beliefs and the events surrounding you?
Anyway, back on track I agree that tongue speaking happened in the first century, and I'm familiar with Acts 2 and I Corinthians 14 (although I don't remember much about miraculous tongues in the epistle to the Romans). I apologize for being so slow, but I failed to see how these verses get around God's requirements for tongue-speaking in the assembly? Does not I Corinthians 14:22-23 limit tongues in the assembly to no more than 2 or 3 cases, each case being immediately followed with the inspired interpretation? Is that what you see happening today?
Thanks! I look forward to better understanding your thoughts and understanding of Scripture!
Please be safe, take care, and do much good for the Lord! I look forward to hearing from you again, whenever and wherever you have opportunity!