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life after Judgment Day?

Post by email » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:04 pm

I read that on Judgement Day we will recieve new bodies. Does that mean we will have new apperance and that we will start new lives...or what?
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This Mortal Will Put On Immortality

Post by sid » Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:09 pm

You have asked about our "new bodies."

This is clearly pictured in Luke 16; "Abraham's bosom" or else "Hell."

Concerning only the saved, it is pictured in Revelation 4 & 5 & 7.

But, we do not start a new life. Eternal Life begins on earth.
If you do not have it when you die, then -- you will never have it!

This is what is meant by "Therefore if anyone is in Anointed (Christ), he is a new creation [on earth, in the flesh]; old things have passed away [sins]; behold, all things have become new [spiritual]" - 2Cor 5.17.

"In Anointed" is synonymous with "in the Spirit"; or, "filled with the Spirit."
We enjoy the Spirit of God in "our minds and hearts" (Jer 31.33) today.

Men without this joy are "empty."

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all are resurrected and given new bodies, but to what fate..

Post by m273p15c » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:42 pm

Although I agree with sid's statement that eternal life is available in some sense now, in that we begin a relationship with God now, I disagree with his thoughts on life after death. I believe the Bible indicates that there is a bodily resurrection for all, where each receives a new body; however, some will go into hell with the Devil and his angels, while others will enjoy heaven with God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
Paul by inspiration wrote:12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen.
14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.
15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up -- if in fact the dead do not rise.
16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.
17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!
18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.
20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming.
24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.
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35 But someone will say, "How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?"
36 Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies.
37 And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain -- perhaps wheat or some other grain.
38 But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption.
43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.
44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.
47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed --
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory." ... (I Corinthians 15:12-54)
The preceding passage provides the best description of the new body, although it is tantalizingly little. This next passage explains what will happen to those, who are still alive at Christ's return:
Paul by the Holy Spirit wrote:13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. (I Thessalonians 4:13-18)
As mentioned in other threads, one must be extremely careful in using anything from the book of Revelation, since it was to be understood as a book of symbols, containing figurative language (Revelation 1:1). Therefore, it was not to be understood literally. Moreover, its context pertained to events that were to "shortly come to pass" (Revelation 1:1-3; 22:10); therefore, it should not be used to describe modern events, much less applied literally to modern events, occurring some 2000 years after the book's writing.

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Post by Doug » Thu Dec 01, 2005 2:16 pm

Wow.

I will have to chanllge your claim about revaltions. None of us have the authority to dismis cannonized books. Not one person on earth has that authority. Also not all the events in Revelation are simply symbolic they are mentioned else where in the bible although I do agree it is very hard to seperate the symbols from actual physical events. Although their won't be a pale there will a very real plague. To dismiss revelation is to dismis Gods ultimate victory over Satan.

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Post by m273p15c » Sun Dec 04, 2005 11:57 pm

Doug wrote:I will have to chanllge your claim about revaltions. None of us have the authority to dismis cannonized books. Not one person on earth has that authority.
Doug, I believe you read too much into my statement. I am not dismissing the book, not its cannonization. I am however dismissing a literal interpretation of the book, but not on my authority. The book itself, in both its preface and afterword, denote both the immediate application and figurative symbology of the book (Revelation 1:1-3; 22:10). Therefore, the Holy Spirit dismisses the literal interpretation. These "bookends" for the letter must be explained before anyone can make a strong case for the literal interpretation of anything contained therein, especially chapters 4 and following.
Doug wrote:Also not all the events in Revelation are simply symbolic they are mentioned else where in the bible
Please provide examples of corroborative refrences, which are not symbolic themselves?
Doug wrote:... although I do agree it is very hard to seperate the symbols from actual physical events. Although their won't be a pale there will a very real plague. To dismiss revelation is to dismis Gods ultimate victory over Satan.
Again, I believe you have read too much into my statement. The book is certainly about God's victory over Satan; however, there will not be a literal, physical battle between the Dragon, with a tale long enough to knock down the stars of heaven and the forces of God. However, a spiritual battle was, and is being fought, in which Christ is the ultimate victor over Satan.

Please don't read too much into my words. Revelation has immense value in encouraging us, because we fight a war with a known outcome. God and His people have, and will prevail. I am not dismissing it. In fact, I treasure it; however, a direct, literal application of its figurative symbols should not be used to justify modern events, per the book's own introduction ("signified...shortly come to pass"). To ignore the preface of the book and its guidance on interpreting the remainder of the book is the true dismissal of the book's authority.

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