Are they really the same thing?
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Are they really the same thing?
It has been said in some of the posts that belief, repentance and confession are all the same, that they all fall under the scope of belief, when one believes, he is repenting, confessing. Therefore their argument is justified in there minds for salvation by faith alone.
Are these things the same?
Are these things the same?
If I stand by the idea that because a passage does not mention an aspect of salvation then it is not required. If a passage says we are saved by love then does that mean that the blood of Christ does not cleanse us. If a passage says that baptism does now save you, then you will assume that one does not even have to believe. It is a no win situation for you.
Acts 26:19-21
19 "So, King Agrippa, I did not prove disobedient to the heavenly vision, 20 but kept declaring both to those of Damascus first, and also at Jerusalem and then throughout all the region of Judea, and even to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds appropriate to repentance.
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Acts 26:19-21
19 "So, King Agrippa, I did not prove disobedient to the heavenly vision, 20 but kept declaring both to those of Damascus first, and also at Jerusalem and then throughout all the region of Judea, and even to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds appropriate to repentance.
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You infer that in which is not implied by explicit statement talking about these various items.
Since you stand by your fathers docrtine (reformers) you must do all that is possible to do away with any works leading to salvation , so you must take repentance, confession, and baptism and find there new place for them. It is getting so far stretched from the truth that we are now calling things by the same name as to justify a false doctrine. It is the leaky bucket syndrome, eventually you will run out of buckets.
Faith is not repentance yet one will repent when he come to an understanding of what he is and who God is, this is called Godly sorrow which leads to repentance which is unto salvation (2 Corinthians 7:10) one will not repent until he first believes, but this does not make them the same thing. One who will confess without repentance does not mean that he doesn't believe he may be confused about how God is calling him. Some will believe and then call themselves Christians with out repenting because the reformers rejected your theories than these items are the same.
God does NOT show us that these things are the same.
Since you stand by your fathers docrtine (reformers) you must do all that is possible to do away with any works leading to salvation , so you must take repentance, confession, and baptism and find there new place for them. It is getting so far stretched from the truth that we are now calling things by the same name as to justify a false doctrine. It is the leaky bucket syndrome, eventually you will run out of buckets.
Faith is not repentance yet one will repent when he come to an understanding of what he is and who God is, this is called Godly sorrow which leads to repentance which is unto salvation (2 Corinthians 7:10) one will not repent until he first believes, but this does not make them the same thing. One who will confess without repentance does not mean that he doesn't believe he may be confused about how God is calling him. Some will believe and then call themselves Christians with out repenting because the reformers rejected your theories than these items are the same.
God does NOT show us that these things are the same.
Acts 26:24-29
24 While Paul was saying this in his defense, Festus said in a loud voice, "Paul, you are out of your mind!Your great learning is driving you mad." 25 But Paul said, "I am not out of my mind, most excellent Festus, but I utter words of sober truth. 26 "For the king knows about these matters, and I speak to him also with confidence, since I am persuaded that none of these things escape his notice; for this has not been done in a corner. 27 "King Agrippa, do you believe the Prophets? I know that you do." 28 Agrippa replied to Paul, " In a short time you will persuade me to become a Christian." 29 And Paul said, " I would wish to God, that whether in a short or long time, not only you, but also all who hear me this day, might become such as I am, except for these chains."
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It seems that Festus Believed yet was not a Christian, but based on your idea he has repented and confessed when he believed, Paul spoke of things pertaining to Christ and salvation, notice that Festus said that Paul would persuade him to become a Christian in a short time. He BELIEVED yet was not saved had not repented or confessed!
24 While Paul was saying this in his defense, Festus said in a loud voice, "Paul, you are out of your mind!Your great learning is driving you mad." 25 But Paul said, "I am not out of my mind, most excellent Festus, but I utter words of sober truth. 26 "For the king knows about these matters, and I speak to him also with confidence, since I am persuaded that none of these things escape his notice; for this has not been done in a corner. 27 "King Agrippa, do you believe the Prophets? I know that you do." 28 Agrippa replied to Paul, " In a short time you will persuade me to become a Christian." 29 And Paul said, " I would wish to God, that whether in a short or long time, not only you, but also all who hear me this day, might become such as I am, except for these chains."
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It seems that Festus Believed yet was not a Christian, but based on your idea he has repented and confessed when he believed, Paul spoke of things pertaining to Christ and salvation, notice that Festus said that Paul would persuade him to become a Christian in a short time. He BELIEVED yet was not saved had not repented or confessed!
Well if we could establish the fact that these things are not all thing, that they are different points of obedienc, then we are on are way to coming to an understanding that salvation is not by faith alone.
That we can agree that it is Faith Repentance Confession, and of course we probably will never agree on baptism because you see a ethnical change not an ethnical progression of salvation from the jews to the Samaritians and the Gentiles.
That we can agree that it is Faith Repentance Confession, and of course we probably will never agree on baptism because you see a ethnical change not an ethnical progression of salvation from the jews to the Samaritians and the Gentiles.