The meaning of life - divinity now
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The meaning of life - divinity now
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The Moderator - 9/1/2008
Hey, fella’s
This is my first post in this forum. ... “What is the meaning of Life”. What is truth? Who are we? How did we get here”. Considering the universe is arguably what, 14 billion years old and we have been here as best we can recall 5 thousand years. Can that even be measured in the broad scope of it all. I ask you why do we try? It is in the answer to that question we will find the truth.
I have just spent the past five and one half months visiting another forum that primarily consisted of agnostic’s and atheist’s that represent the philosophical and scientific mind. Now I profess I am to ignorant to know all that is God, and I am not smart enough to be an atheist though I have IMHO, have been blessed with a little wisdom in my humble life. There is a truth but you really have got to seek it to find it. It is my sincerest hope I will be able to reach those intrenched beliefs and shed a little light on the subject.
Why do we effort so to figure it all out? Simple, because we have the ability to. That’s why. Why would we want to? Well Shakespeare answered that question: “To be or not to be, that is the question”. Oh, he was so right. We have grown fond of this thing “to be”. We really like that. No matter what our lot in life, and we are not capable of knowing of any alternative that we can compare it to. Well, maybe heaven but we have no clue of what that is either, do we? Ah, but for our imaginations, can we dream or can’t we. Wow!
This “not to be” thing has us stumped. In our mind death is hard to equate in the overall scheme of things. Yet we have determined nothing ever really “goes away”. What is, was and always will be. We have figured that out. But where do we fit in all that? We effort to figure that out simply because we don’t like not knowing. If we could just figure out our beginning we could, through cause and effect find out those answers. The Earth has a way of hiding what we don’t need to know and all we can do is at best speculate. You see discovery is a wonderful thing if it has the best motives in mind, and what better motive is there to insure tomorrow is better than today. But our tomorrow’s are limited, aren’t they? Or so we think, anyway. Here is the key to all our problems: It is not that we should prove we are eternal, but it absolutely necessary to believe that we are.
Here is our biggest stumbling block and of course it is drawn on that conclusion each of you have made of which we do not have a clue: God created the Heavens and the Earth. Now there is absolutely no way we can empirically prove that statement. None. Now we create things, sure enough so it is reasonable to assume we were created too, right? Of course it is. Since we cannot prove that statement, perhaps it is wise we do not delve into it and just leave.....it.....alone. Let’s just concentrate on what we do know and if we can do that we become wise and that will lead us to the truth and then and only then will be begin to know what life is all about. Right now we are still surviving, we haven’t begun to live yet. Unless you can call waste, greed, disease, poverty, envy, hate, abortions, latch key children, divorce, murder, war, discrimination, racism, slavery, corruption, a trillion dollar drug industry, pornography, suicide, condescension and on an on and on. If this is life.................nah, I am not even going to go there. This is more of a hell than it is life. Now let’s talk about that a second, ok.
If there was a book of rules when man first made a foot print here it would be different. This is not saying much of what is written is not inspired, but let’s face it is not easy defining what we know based as it relates to the “big picture” as all our thoughts are more concentrated on surviving than living. Now I know it will take you a little while to fully understand the meaning of that statement, but is crucial that you do. It is so very important. Once you really grasp it your thinking will begin to become “divine”. Then we will begin to realize what heaven or life is all about. Let me explain. Are you with me so far?
William
The Moderator - 9/1/2008
Hey, fella’s
This is my first post in this forum. ... “What is the meaning of Life”. What is truth? Who are we? How did we get here”. Considering the universe is arguably what, 14 billion years old and we have been here as best we can recall 5 thousand years. Can that even be measured in the broad scope of it all. I ask you why do we try? It is in the answer to that question we will find the truth.
I have just spent the past five and one half months visiting another forum that primarily consisted of agnostic’s and atheist’s that represent the philosophical and scientific mind. Now I profess I am to ignorant to know all that is God, and I am not smart enough to be an atheist though I have IMHO, have been blessed with a little wisdom in my humble life. There is a truth but you really have got to seek it to find it. It is my sincerest hope I will be able to reach those intrenched beliefs and shed a little light on the subject.
Why do we effort so to figure it all out? Simple, because we have the ability to. That’s why. Why would we want to? Well Shakespeare answered that question: “To be or not to be, that is the question”. Oh, he was so right. We have grown fond of this thing “to be”. We really like that. No matter what our lot in life, and we are not capable of knowing of any alternative that we can compare it to. Well, maybe heaven but we have no clue of what that is either, do we? Ah, but for our imaginations, can we dream or can’t we. Wow!
This “not to be” thing has us stumped. In our mind death is hard to equate in the overall scheme of things. Yet we have determined nothing ever really “goes away”. What is, was and always will be. We have figured that out. But where do we fit in all that? We effort to figure that out simply because we don’t like not knowing. If we could just figure out our beginning we could, through cause and effect find out those answers. The Earth has a way of hiding what we don’t need to know and all we can do is at best speculate. You see discovery is a wonderful thing if it has the best motives in mind, and what better motive is there to insure tomorrow is better than today. But our tomorrow’s are limited, aren’t they? Or so we think, anyway. Here is the key to all our problems: It is not that we should prove we are eternal, but it absolutely necessary to believe that we are.
Here is our biggest stumbling block and of course it is drawn on that conclusion each of you have made of which we do not have a clue: God created the Heavens and the Earth. Now there is absolutely no way we can empirically prove that statement. None. Now we create things, sure enough so it is reasonable to assume we were created too, right? Of course it is. Since we cannot prove that statement, perhaps it is wise we do not delve into it and just leave.....it.....alone. Let’s just concentrate on what we do know and if we can do that we become wise and that will lead us to the truth and then and only then will be begin to know what life is all about. Right now we are still surviving, we haven’t begun to live yet. Unless you can call waste, greed, disease, poverty, envy, hate, abortions, latch key children, divorce, murder, war, discrimination, racism, slavery, corruption, a trillion dollar drug industry, pornography, suicide, condescension and on an on and on. If this is life.................nah, I am not even going to go there. This is more of a hell than it is life. Now let’s talk about that a second, ok.
If there was a book of rules when man first made a foot print here it would be different. This is not saying much of what is written is not inspired, but let’s face it is not easy defining what we know based as it relates to the “big picture” as all our thoughts are more concentrated on surviving than living. Now I know it will take you a little while to fully understand the meaning of that statement, but is crucial that you do. It is so very important. Once you really grasp it your thinking will begin to become “divine”. Then we will begin to realize what heaven or life is all about. Let me explain. Are you with me so far?
William
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I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William
For us to truly live please hear these words: To appreciate the warmth of the sun, we must learn from the lessons the storms teach us. In our great desire to survive, it is in those measures that causes our blindness to the joy of the life we were meant to live. How very difficult that is when assumed this Earth is for sale, in that there are costs imposed on those who live here. What human made such a claim? Perhaps this is the cloud that keeps us in the dark as we stumble efforting to find enlightenment as we tend to ignore what that assumed price has wrought. Life is an entitlement for all who call this Earth home. Who is anyone to judge who does not belong as we too readily cast a disparaging eye on those who cannot pay the price. We gloat in the gold we carry as we view it a reward as to our goodness, or our manipulation, or our wit, or our guile, or our intelligence. In that all the storms we have endured we remain as the funnel of inequity spirals us even deeper into despair, it can only be reasoned we have been going through an orientation or indocrination to help us determine what is good and what is evil. It is that wisdom we gather from our experiences as we err that will identify our true path that is our life that is eternal".
William
William
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I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William
Peace of Mind
Peace of mind is that divinity connection that will link us up to that core that is who we are. We are one with it and it is fear that keeps us from that vital and eternal link. The connection is the rapture. Peace of mind is the gateway. In the reality we, man, has created thrives on fear for we deem our existence to be terminal. It is not known to any what happens upon our death, but it must be assumed it is a part of life. In that paradigm we have created we think wrongly as we aspire to obtain all that life has to offer for it will come to an end one day. Not good. It is the root of all our iniquity. Life is in the moment and that is all it is and life must be lived in that moment letting neither the past or visions of the future interfere with it. Unfortunately what takes that joy of life away is the guilt of the past and worry of tomorrow that bings that life to an end forcing us to "survive" and not "live". We covet life so and it is in that grasp we choke it to death. This Earth is not for sale. There is no value other than human value and what that mind has to offer undisturbed by another. You have created a world in which that measure of life is determined by what you have other than who you are and what you have to offer to your fellow man, for he is a part of you. We are the physical manifestation of God. We are He. We give human life to God. It is through us He lives. We must understand this small phrase for it will define our growth and future: God is me, I am not He. Once you realize this very simplicity will you begin to understand who you really are. Contrary to instilled believe, it is not God who demands our worship, it is he who wishes to help us. All we need is to clear our heads a little. He will automatically be there. May God be with you is not a prayer, it is the way things were meant to be. We are divine, we are just very young.
William
William
I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William
proof for your claims?
Hi William,
That's an interesting story. What proof or evidence do you offer to justify your claims?
Thanks!
That's an interesting story. What proof or evidence do you offer to justify your claims?
Thanks!
May God help us to love truth sincerely and supremely (II Thessalonians 2:11-12)
Re: proof for your claims?
None. It is not my intent to argue as is what normally happens when one is asked that question. It seems we all need justification for our reasoning as it gives us support in our own mind. My reasoning is my reasoning and needs no support. It is how I think and how I think is based on the knowledge I have acquired over my life that has allowed me to draw the conclusions I have. If you wish to discuss any aspect of what I have espoused, I am more that willing to do so. These are core statements meant to engender open thought based on an individuals personal understanding. If your beliefs need justification, that is all well and good. Mine don't. Not to me. It is not my intent to disturb your beliefs in any respect whatsoever. Truth can never be arrived at through argument. Never. It can only come through the divine cooperation of individuals with one purpose in mind and that is to insure tomorrow is better than today. Many are pleased with the status quo as it is. I for one am not. He who defends it must argue to defend such a sad state of affairs. I do not care to offer such argument, only discuss those ways in which we can improve it. That is all.m273p15c wrote:Hi William,
That's an interesting story. What proof or evidence do you offer to justify your claims?
Thanks!
These are not claims, they are my beliefs.
William
I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William
I'm sorry, but I believe we are supposed to defend truth, even vigorously:
However, if you don't believe the inspiration of the Bible, and if you won't believe it, then I guess we don't share a common platform from which we can exchange ideas.Jude wrote:Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. (Jude 1:3).
May God help us to love truth sincerely and supremely (II Thessalonians 2:11-12)
Please forgive me if that is how you interpreted what I wrote. In all sincerity I thought this forum was about "searching for truth". From what you are saying, the truth has already been found. Perhaps the forum should be Learn the Bible Truth. That would have been more appropriate. Again, I ask you please parse any sentence, phrase, or paragraph and tell me what there is about it you cannot discuss because we are not on a common platform. Where did I say the Bible was wrong? It is so unfortunate the antagonism that is manifested from just a certain few of faith if "new" understanding is offered. My friend you rest easy with your faith for I do not wish to debate with you. Far from it. But I will ask you one question. As it relates to the "7 deadly sins" some of faith attribute 2 of those to God, namely jealousy and wrath. How can you in anyway do that as it relates to any omnipontent entity. Please, if you don't mind use your own thoughts here. Jealousy and wrath are clearly signs of weakness.m273p15c wrote:I'm sorry, but I believe we are supposed to defend truth, even vigorously:
However, if you don't believe the inspiration of the Bible, and if you won't believe it, then I guess we don't share a common platform from which we can exchange ideas.Jude wrote:Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. (Jude 1:3).
Thank you,
William
I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William
I woefully regret the way Christian’s absolutely shut down when anyone offers to bring a clearer understanding of the Bible and Christianity in general. Just in my lifetime the Bible has been changed, edited and interpreted 74 times. In this century over a 100 times. Yet when having a clear cut discussion on the authenticity of the Bible, they always just shut down. If this forum is to live up to it’s name “In Search For Truth” then it must do that. If it has already found it’s truth then the forum should change it’s name to “The Bible is Truth”. Now for that to be indeed a truth, then there would be no need to touch it’s words in any way whatsoever. It would be a sacrilege to do so. Right? So all I am saying there is indeed a lot of room in those so very many interpretations of the Bible for continued discussion. Again if anyone finds in the words I write any maliciousness, please by all means bring that to my attention and let’s discuss it. If you are not able to do that, Jesus could come knocking at your door offering a continuation to his purpose and you would slam the door in his face for it is indeed not in the Bible.
Just a thought. Consider it.
William
Just a thought. Consider it.
William
I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William
Truth, it seems I have found you, Ha.truth wrote:you say your looking for truth ,how would you know it if you found it ?
That's what I would like to discuss. What I have learned is not that you haven't, it is carrying it to the next level. All that is in the Bible is an interpretation of others as to what is the truth, still we must update or we fail to grow and understand the nature of man and why we were created. Please understand what I have to share is no different than what you believe, just a clearer understanding. If you sincerely believe in your immortality as is the nature of the soul, you must realize the now is a part of that eternity as it plays a very important role. It stands to reason that since there is no end, the truth is that voyage. The Earth is just just a stepping stone, but a very important one. Let's talk about that.
William
I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William
william you speak of the soul as if ha a life of its own how ever Eze 18 : 4 Look! All the souls—to me they belong. As the soul of the father so likewise the soul of the son—to me they belong. The soul that is sinning—it itself will die.
Eze 18 : 20 The soul that is sinning—it itself will die
a dead soul is just that ...........dead . i hope i dont have to explain dead.
and the earth is my home and i like it here . Matthew, 5:5 “Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.
you see william there things about gods kingdom that you dont yet under stand ,Jesus prayed at matthew 6:10 Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth. it will be an earth were no one will ever die ,will ever get sick and war will be no more.
is going to be a wonderful place .
Eze 18 : 20 The soul that is sinning—it itself will die
a dead soul is just that ...........dead . i hope i dont have to explain dead.
and the earth is my home and i like it here . Matthew, 5:5 “Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.
you see william there things about gods kingdom that you dont yet under stand ,Jesus prayed at matthew 6:10 Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth. it will be an earth were no one will ever die ,will ever get sick and war will be no more.
is going to be a wonderful place .
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"The soul as if it had a life of it's own". It is life. It is who we are. The body is just the vehicle we scoot around in. They all belong. Just a bit confused is all, lest any man judge. For the truth will set you free. Have you not wondered why it would be necessary for God to "command" his perfect creation? Why would man "want" to steal? "Why would man "want" to kill? Why would man have to sin unless he were forced to? Why would man "want" to covet anything if he did not want for anything? If you have more than you need, you have something that belongs to another. Please read my initial core statements and tell me what it is about them you feel is incorrect. I know what the Bible says and there is nothing I have said that differs with the Bible other than the greatest mis conception that has ever been made: It is not God's desire for us to "worship" him; it is his desire to help us. It is man who likes to be worshiped; it is man who like to rule, not God. God is not a slave master, man is. Yes, there are consequences known only to God, but there is no death, only atonement for which will not be known by man. If God were wrathful, he would have destroyed us long ago. It is not understood just where Heaven is. IMO it begins right beneath your feet. Perhaps there is a destination such as Heaven and if that were the case as in anything we would surely get bored with it. It is human nature. it is the journey through eternity as we work together to insure tomorrow is better than today. All of the Earth are entitled to that. No man can say differently. We are all in this together and it is God's love that will unite us. All we need is peace of mind without fear. For that is his gateway. I know. It happened to me 30 years ago, this rapture of the mind for it is God's domain.truth wrote:william you speak of the soul as if ha a life of its own how ever Eze 18 : 4 Look! All the souls—to me they belong. As the soul of the father so likewise the soul of the son—to me they belong. The soul that is sinning—it itself will die.
Eze 18 : 20 The soul that is sinning—it itself will die
a dead soul is just that ...........dead . i hope i dont have to explain dead.
and the earth is my home and i like it here . Matthew, 5:5 “Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.
you see william there things about gods kingdom that you dont yet under stand ,Jesus prayed at matthew 6:10 Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth. it will be an earth were on one will ever die ,will ever get sick and war will be no more.
is going to be a wonderful place .
William
I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William
to your ""The soul as if it had a life of it's own".
The Soul According to the Bible
“The man came to be a living soul.”—GENESIS 2:7.
AS WE have seen, beliefs about the soul are many and varied. Even among those who claim to base their beliefs on the Bible, there are differing ideas about what the soul is and what happens to it when we die. But what does the Bible really teach about the soul? To find out, we need to examine the meanings of the Hebrew and Greek words that are translated “soul” in the Bible.
“Soul” as a Living Creature
2 The Hebrew word translated “soul” is ne′phesh, and it occurs 754 times in the Hebrew Scriptures (commonly called the Old Testament). What does ne′phesh mean? According to The Dictionary of Bible and Religion, it “usually refers to the entire living being, to the whole individual.”
3 For example, Genesis 2:7 states: “ God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul.” Note that Adam did not have a soul; he was a soul—just as someone who becomes a doctor is a doctor. The word “soul,” then, can describe a whole person.
4 This understanding is supported throughout the Hebrew Scriptures, where we find such phrases as “in case a soul sins” (Leviticus 5:1), “any soul that will do any sort of work” (Leviticus 23:30), “in case a man is found kidnapping a soul” (Deuteronomy 24:7), “his soul got to be impatient” (Judges 16:16), “how long will you men keep irritating my soul?” (Job 19:2), and “my soul has been sleepless from grief.”—Psalm 119:28.
5 There is no indication in these passages that the soul is some shadowy entity that lives on after death. “To say in our terms that the ‘soul’ of the loved one has departed to be with the Lord or to speak of the ‘immortal soul’ would simply not be understandable in the culture of the OT [Old Testament],” says The Dictionary of Bible and Religion.
6 The word translated “soul” more than a hundred times in the Christian Greek Scriptures (commonly called the New Testament) is psy·khe′. Like ne′phesh, this word often refers to a whole person. For example, consider the following statements: “My soul is troubled.” (John 12:27) “Fear began to fall upon every soul.” (Acts 2:43) “Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities.” (Romans 13:1) “Speak consolingly to the depressed souls.” (1 Thessalonians 5:14) “A few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.”—1 Peter 3:20.
7 Psy·khe′, like ne′phesh, clearly refers to the whole person. According to scholar Nigel Turner, this word “signifies what is characteristically human, the self, the material body having God’s rûaḥ [spirit] breathed into it. . . . The emphasis is on the whole self.”
8 In the Bible the word “soul” applies not only to humans but also to animals. For example, in describing the creation of sea creatures, Genesis 1:20 says that God commanded: “Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living souls.” And on the next creative day, God said: “Let the earth put forth living souls according to their kinds, domestic animal and moving animal and wild beast of the earth according to its kind.” (Genesis 1:24; compare Numbers 31:28.) Hence, “soul” can refer to a living creature, whether human or animal.
then you said "It is not God's desire for us to "worship" him; it is his desire to help us. "
there is one thing that god is not and that is a servent nor is he submissive tho i do have to ask if your refering to jesus as god or are you refering to the father as god ?
The Soul According to the Bible
“The man came to be a living soul.”—GENESIS 2:7.
AS WE have seen, beliefs about the soul are many and varied. Even among those who claim to base their beliefs on the Bible, there are differing ideas about what the soul is and what happens to it when we die. But what does the Bible really teach about the soul? To find out, we need to examine the meanings of the Hebrew and Greek words that are translated “soul” in the Bible.
“Soul” as a Living Creature
2 The Hebrew word translated “soul” is ne′phesh, and it occurs 754 times in the Hebrew Scriptures (commonly called the Old Testament). What does ne′phesh mean? According to The Dictionary of Bible and Religion, it “usually refers to the entire living being, to the whole individual.”
3 For example, Genesis 2:7 states: “ God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul.” Note that Adam did not have a soul; he was a soul—just as someone who becomes a doctor is a doctor. The word “soul,” then, can describe a whole person.
4 This understanding is supported throughout the Hebrew Scriptures, where we find such phrases as “in case a soul sins” (Leviticus 5:1), “any soul that will do any sort of work” (Leviticus 23:30), “in case a man is found kidnapping a soul” (Deuteronomy 24:7), “his soul got to be impatient” (Judges 16:16), “how long will you men keep irritating my soul?” (Job 19:2), and “my soul has been sleepless from grief.”—Psalm 119:28.
5 There is no indication in these passages that the soul is some shadowy entity that lives on after death. “To say in our terms that the ‘soul’ of the loved one has departed to be with the Lord or to speak of the ‘immortal soul’ would simply not be understandable in the culture of the OT [Old Testament],” says The Dictionary of Bible and Religion.
6 The word translated “soul” more than a hundred times in the Christian Greek Scriptures (commonly called the New Testament) is psy·khe′. Like ne′phesh, this word often refers to a whole person. For example, consider the following statements: “My soul is troubled.” (John 12:27) “Fear began to fall upon every soul.” (Acts 2:43) “Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities.” (Romans 13:1) “Speak consolingly to the depressed souls.” (1 Thessalonians 5:14) “A few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.”—1 Peter 3:20.
7 Psy·khe′, like ne′phesh, clearly refers to the whole person. According to scholar Nigel Turner, this word “signifies what is characteristically human, the self, the material body having God’s rûaḥ [spirit] breathed into it. . . . The emphasis is on the whole self.”
8 In the Bible the word “soul” applies not only to humans but also to animals. For example, in describing the creation of sea creatures, Genesis 1:20 says that God commanded: “Let the waters swarm forth a swarm of living souls.” And on the next creative day, God said: “Let the earth put forth living souls according to their kinds, domestic animal and moving animal and wild beast of the earth according to its kind.” (Genesis 1:24; compare Numbers 31:28.) Hence, “soul” can refer to a living creature, whether human or animal.
then you said "It is not God's desire for us to "worship" him; it is his desire to help us. "
there is one thing that god is not and that is a servent nor is he submissive tho i do have to ask if your refering to jesus as god or are you refering to the father as god ?
Truth quoted:
“The man came to be a living soul.”—GENESIS 2:7".
Let's look at this for a moment. Please understand the Bible has been changed, reinterpretated and modified over 60 times in my life time. The above statement can be interpreted in any number of ways. Let me give you mine. The word "man" to me means the sentient, living, physical being. It is the soul of man taking "form". The "soul" now was sensate and was "new" to this new existence. Any imagination as to what the "entirity" of God is to that of man cannot be known. Impossible. Man was created for a reason and is a part of that "God" from which he was created from. That's "ALL" we know for sure. The universe is and we are a part of that, whatever it is. God is that core the drives the universe and us. We are all "one". Man is just the "new" creation. A very small, young, hubris, autonomous, perfect creation of an ongoing, developing, unfolding inexplicable macrocosm that is God and the Universe. We have determined "nothing" ever "ceases" to exist in the universe. What is, was and will always be. Even us. Our past is not known to us for good reason. It does not contribute to "forward momentum". What ever the "soul" was before it was endowed with it's "sensate body" is not our concern.
Now when this was written we did not have the knowledge we have now. It is understandable for man to assume he was the "image" of God. Now to some degree that is a correct statement. We are a creation of God and we are indeed divine, but we didn't know that. We could only assume an entity like us created us. That is very understandable and why we associated our desires to that of a much more powerful God. When in fact we are just a "new development" of that God. We are not "apart from that God", we are "a part of that God". The fact that we consider our selve's independent of that God is where we would inevitably get into trouble. But it had to be that way simply because we are "perfect creations". God could not create an "imperfect anything". That's why we were "warned" of the "tree of knowledge (good and evil)" because it was not known how the "soul" would react to the overwhelming new sensations of the body experience. God is not of "body" and God would learn, "through us" what "being human" was all about. We are His physical being. The overwhelming sensation of physical being is what caused our separation from that God. Actually, we were never separated, we just lost communication. That's all. It was necessary for us to experience life and determine what was "good" for us and what was "bad" for us. It had to be that away. Now it is time to link back up and that is what the rapture is all about as we recogize our oneness and begin to "divinely communicate" with each other. It is time we plugged back in to that power source that will guide our path for we cannot exist with out it. FACT.
Oh, we can, but that is what "hell' is all about. We have a choice continue on as we are and build a hell, or allow that "missing link" to join the party and build that heaven we were created for. Actually heaven is not a place, it is a journey. A journey into forever as we whistle all the way. Ha.
Now if what I have said truly "offends" you, you must examine what it is about your beliefs that could cause such distress in lieu of what I have just said. Is it your fear for your soul if you think differently as you think you are "disobeying" a vengeful, wrathful, jealous God? Please, think about that for a moment. How could a "loving, all knowing God" have such traits? All of the "evil" in the world is a result of man's abuse toward his fellow man as he desires to "rule, command and control" his fellow man, so he designed a God that does the same thing.
All I am asking you to think outside of the box. I am not here to debate with you, just to instill a little of the wisdom I have gathered as a result of God guiding my life so I could bring the truth to you. I promise you, once you know God like I know God, it will blow you away and buckle your knees. Fear is the obstacle the keeps "His signal" out. Just always remember your are divine in that "God is you, but you are not God'.
As far as God being a servant, I never said that. You did. That was "your" interpretation of what I said. That is what you wanted to hear. I said "help" us. There is a big difference. It you do not assist others for fear of being called a "servant" then you think wrong my friend. We all can use a little help and God helps me big time. He's my best friend.
William
“The man came to be a living soul.”—GENESIS 2:7".
Let's look at this for a moment. Please understand the Bible has been changed, reinterpretated and modified over 60 times in my life time. The above statement can be interpreted in any number of ways. Let me give you mine. The word "man" to me means the sentient, living, physical being. It is the soul of man taking "form". The "soul" now was sensate and was "new" to this new existence. Any imagination as to what the "entirity" of God is to that of man cannot be known. Impossible. Man was created for a reason and is a part of that "God" from which he was created from. That's "ALL" we know for sure. The universe is and we are a part of that, whatever it is. God is that core the drives the universe and us. We are all "one". Man is just the "new" creation. A very small, young, hubris, autonomous, perfect creation of an ongoing, developing, unfolding inexplicable macrocosm that is God and the Universe. We have determined "nothing" ever "ceases" to exist in the universe. What is, was and will always be. Even us. Our past is not known to us for good reason. It does not contribute to "forward momentum". What ever the "soul" was before it was endowed with it's "sensate body" is not our concern.
Now when this was written we did not have the knowledge we have now. It is understandable for man to assume he was the "image" of God. Now to some degree that is a correct statement. We are a creation of God and we are indeed divine, but we didn't know that. We could only assume an entity like us created us. That is very understandable and why we associated our desires to that of a much more powerful God. When in fact we are just a "new development" of that God. We are not "apart from that God", we are "a part of that God". The fact that we consider our selve's independent of that God is where we would inevitably get into trouble. But it had to be that way simply because we are "perfect creations". God could not create an "imperfect anything". That's why we were "warned" of the "tree of knowledge (good and evil)" because it was not known how the "soul" would react to the overwhelming new sensations of the body experience. God is not of "body" and God would learn, "through us" what "being human" was all about. We are His physical being. The overwhelming sensation of physical being is what caused our separation from that God. Actually, we were never separated, we just lost communication. That's all. It was necessary for us to experience life and determine what was "good" for us and what was "bad" for us. It had to be that away. Now it is time to link back up and that is what the rapture is all about as we recogize our oneness and begin to "divinely communicate" with each other. It is time we plugged back in to that power source that will guide our path for we cannot exist with out it. FACT.
Oh, we can, but that is what "hell' is all about. We have a choice continue on as we are and build a hell, or allow that "missing link" to join the party and build that heaven we were created for. Actually heaven is not a place, it is a journey. A journey into forever as we whistle all the way. Ha.
Now if what I have said truly "offends" you, you must examine what it is about your beliefs that could cause such distress in lieu of what I have just said. Is it your fear for your soul if you think differently as you think you are "disobeying" a vengeful, wrathful, jealous God? Please, think about that for a moment. How could a "loving, all knowing God" have such traits? All of the "evil" in the world is a result of man's abuse toward his fellow man as he desires to "rule, command and control" his fellow man, so he designed a God that does the same thing.
All I am asking you to think outside of the box. I am not here to debate with you, just to instill a little of the wisdom I have gathered as a result of God guiding my life so I could bring the truth to you. I promise you, once you know God like I know God, it will blow you away and buckle your knees. Fear is the obstacle the keeps "His signal" out. Just always remember your are divine in that "God is you, but you are not God'.
As far as God being a servant, I never said that. You did. That was "your" interpretation of what I said. That is what you wanted to hear. I said "help" us. There is a big difference. It you do not assist others for fear of being called a "servant" then you think wrong my friend. We all can use a little help and God helps me big time. He's my best friend.
William
I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William
Is there more than one? Do you honestly think God could possibly be "guilty" of wrath and jealousy? If that is "your" God, then it most definitely is not my God. The God that I love and loves me I do not have to fear. I don't care what any book says. The fear you have for your God is keeping my God from making contact with you. If you can, in any way construe anything I have said as "bad" please tell lmy what it is. Let's talk about it. That's all I ask. My God, what are you so afraid of. As I said, I am not here to disturb your belief's. Not in the slightest. Just carry them to a better understanding. God is God, it's just a long time ago someone got the wrong idea as they tried to equate God to man And that just cannot be done. And it is nothng but hubris to think as much. But it is understandable how man could assume as much. If what I have said in my posts alarms you and freightens you, then just leave it alone. That's the last thing I in the world I would want to occur.truth wrote:William
what god do you claim to honer ? who is your god ?
william
I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William
Come on, I've never seen his driver's license. I don't know His social security number either. Pick one, I am sure He doesn't care. I'll tell you what, how about "George"? It seems this is just a game to you. If you do not have the ability to think outside the box and use your beautiful brain and mind for what it was capable of, then by all means please adhere to what you call the "word of God" as any and everything anyone would ever what to know about everything. I honestly don't think anyone could get a book that size in the "Astrodome", much less carry in one hand as you duck and evade and skirt the simple questions I have so courteously asked you. But I do have tenacity. Next?truth wrote:WOW!! '' who is you god '' is a tougher question than i thought it was , do you want to try again ? all I'm looking for is a name.
William
I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William
well now this is all very interesting you come on here preaching about god and you
dont even know which god your promoting ? yeah you say the god of the bible yet there are many gods spoken of
in the bible .
have you read the bible ? it would seam you think its not very important.
you say to think out side of the box, do you know whats inside of the box ? god does have a plan ,just because its hidden form you is no reason to make up your own.
dont even know which god your promoting ? yeah you say the god of the bible yet there are many gods spoken of
in the bible .
have you read the bible ? it would seam you think its not very important.
you say to think out side of the box, do you know whats inside of the box ? god does have a plan ,just because its hidden form you is no reason to make up your own.
Actually, I didn't make it up on my own. I had a lot of help. As I said, reaching through is not easy. Thanks for avoiding all of my rather simple questions. It seems some Christians do that quite often. I am glad you have found your truth. It looks as though you have adopted it as your own. I wish you well.
William
William
I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William
I would like to apologize to those if I in any way "disturbed" your faith. I surely was not my intent. I found this site by actually typing "Searching For Truth" in my browser. I was hoping it was as it's name implied. That is not what it is. I am not one who believes a book that has been changed as many times as the Bible has, as the know all end all "word of God". It's fine if you do. For a "good man" to look down on another "good man" simply because he does not believe as you, really needs to re-evaluate what is "good" about that. To "elevate one's self above another in such a way that lead's to condescension is closer to "evil" than it is good. Please consider renaming this site. It does not live up to it's name in my opinion. It is indeed misleading if it truly thinks it is searching for truth. It has found it's truth and is not searching for anything. Again, sorry if I "rocked your boat" a little.
May God be with you. That is not a prayer, it is the way life was meant to be.
William
May God be with you. That is not a prayer, it is the way life was meant to be.
William
I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William
i suspect your problem does not come from the idea of there being different bibles but from the fact there are so many different so called '' Christian religions ''
even as there is in fact one true god there is logically only one true religion .
the problem is you have yet to find it or should i say recognize it .
even as there is in fact one true god there is logically only one true religion .
the problem is you have yet to find it or should i say recognize it .
The part I have highlighted above, does that not bother you just a little? I know where you are coming from for I was born and raised a protestant and I know how very hard it is to think "outside" the box some religions entrap so many in. It took me 30 to "de-program". It is not easy and I know exactly what you are going through. Let me make a couple of statements concerning what you have been 'trained" to believe and please, before you respond give what I have to say a little thought. You believe in a "loving God", so do I. Big time. Why would a perfect, loving God create a "flawed" human being? Is that even imaginable? How can perfection create anything "imperfect"? What kind of a love is that that needs to "threaten" it's perfect creation in order to obtain their love? Can anyone threaten another in order to get them to love them? Can you threaten your wife with abandonment if she does not love you? Can you do this to your children also? You say we were created in the "image of God", and if that were the case, please tell me what would happen to you if you allowed your favorite child to be heinously slaughtered in order to prove how much you love the other children you have?truth wrote:i suspect your problem does not come from the idea of there being different bibles but from the fact there are so many different so called '' Christian religions ''
even as there is in fact one true god there is logically only one true religion .
the problem is you have yet to find it or should i say recognize it .
I know what the Bible says. I have memorized much of it. Well I did when I was a young adolescent. Unlike most, i have never be "afraid" of God. Why should I be, unless He was not about love. And a jealous, wrathful and vengeful God, to me, illustrates everything God, at least the one I "know", ISN'T.
I am not one to lay blame for I can understand why man could assume such conclusions as to what they "think" God is? That's not hard at all. Anyway please do your best to answer the question's I have asked even if you have to use the Bible to do so. I would like for you to use your own reasoning, but relying on what you believe to be "The Word of God", will suffice.
William
I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William
The part I have highlighted above, does that not bother you just a little?William wrote:The part I have highlighted above, does that not bother you just a little? I know where you are coming from for I was born and raised a protestant and I know how very hard it is to think "outside" the box some religions entrap so many in. It took me 30 to "de-program". It is not easy and I know exactly what you are going through. Let me make a couple of statements concerning what you have been 'trained" to believe and please, before you respond give what I have to say a little thought. You believe in a "loving God", so do I. Big time. Why would a perfect, loving God create a "flawed" human being? Is that even imaginable? How can perfection create anything "imperfect"? What kind of a love is that that needs to "threaten" it's perfect creation in order to obtain their love? Can anyone threaten another in order to get them to love them? Can you threaten your wife with abandonment if she does not love you? Can you do this to your children also? You say we were created in the "image of God", and if that were the case, please tell me what would happen to you if you allowed your favorite child to be heinously slaughtered in order to prove how much you love the other children you have?truth wrote:i suspect your problem does not come from the idea of there being different bibles but from the fact there are so many different so called '' Christian religions ''
even as there is in fact one true god there is logically only one true religion .
the problem is you have yet to find it or should i say recognize it .
I know what the Bible says. I have memorized much of it. Well I did when I was a young adolescent. Unlike most, i have never be "afraid" of God. Why should I be, unless He was not about love. And a jealous, wrathful and vengeful God, to me, illustrates everything God, at least the one I "know", ISN'T.
I am not one to lay blame for I can understand why man could assume such conclusions as to what they "think" God is? That's not hard at all. Anyway please do your best to answer the question's I have asked even if you have to use the Bible to do so. I would like for you to use your own reasoning, but relying on what you believe to be "The Word of God", will suffice.
William
if you mean to the point of why are there so many ,then yes , hence the search for truth.
it is so ridicules to think that they could all be right, god is not so desperate as to except all forms of worship , fact of the mater is your either doing it gods way or your not, it your not doing it gods way then it is in vane .
Why would a perfect, loving God create a "flawed" human being?
the fact of the matter is he did not , we became this way because of sin, thankfully because of the ransom sacrifice of Jesus the Christ the flaw will be fixed .
How can perfection create anything "imperfect"?
this is one question that i hate , the long answer is very involved and will take some study for you to fully comprehend,the short answer is he didn't .
Can anyone threaten another in order to get them to love them?
no william , god does not do that , how ever religens do . if your religen teaches that then it time you found a faith
that does not teach it.
The part I have highlighted above, does that not bother you just a little?truth wrote:The part I have highlighted above, does that not bother you just a little?William wrote:The part I have highlighted above, does that not bother you just a little? I know where you are coming from for I was born and raised a protestant and I know how very hard it is to think "outside" the box some religions entrap so many in. It took me 30 to "de-program". It is not easy and I know exactly what you are going through. Let me make a couple of statements concerning what you have been 'trained" to believe and please, before you respond give what I have to say a little thought. You believe in a "loving God", so do I. Big time. Why would a perfect, loving God create a "flawed" human being? Is that even imaginable? How can perfection create anything "imperfect"? What kind of a love is that that needs to "threaten" it's perfect creation in order to obtain their love? Can anyone threaten another in order to get them to love them? Can you threaten your wife with abandonment if she does not love you? Can you do this to your children also? You say we were created in the "image of God", and if that were the case, please tell me what would happen to you if you allowed your favorite child to be heinously slaughtered in order to prove how much you love the other children you have?truth wrote:i suspect your problem does not come from the idea of there being different bibles but from the fact there are so many different so called '' Christian religions ''
even as there is in fact one true god there is logically only one true religion .
the problem is you have yet to find it or should i say recognize it .
I know what the Bible says. I have memorized much of it. Well I did when I was a young adolescent. Unlike most, i have never be "afraid" of God. Why should I be, unless He was not about love. And a jealous, wrathful and vengeful God, to me, illustrates everything God, at least the one I "know", ISN'T.
I am not one to lay blame for I can understand why man could assume such conclusions as to what they "think" God is? That's not hard at all. Anyway please do your best to answer the question's I have asked even if you have to use the Bible to do so. I would like for you to use your own reasoning, but relying on what you believe to be "The Word of God", will suffice.
William
if you mean to the point of why are there so many ,then yes , hence the search for truth.
it is so ridicules to think that they could all be right, god is not so desperate as to except all forms of worship , fact of the mater is your either doing it gods way or your not, it your not doing it gods way then it is in vane .
Why would a perfect, loving God create a "flawed" human being?
the fact of the matter is he did not , we became this way because of sin, thankfully because of the ransom sacrifice of Jesus the Christ the flaw will be fixed .
How can perfection create anything "imperfect"?
this is one question that i hate , the long answer is very involved and will take some study for you to fully comprehend,the short answer is he didn't .
Can anyone threaten another in order to get them to love them?
no william , god does not do that , how ever religens do . if your religen teaches that then it time you found a faith
that does not teach it.
if you mean to the point of why are there so many ,then yes , hence the search for truth.
it is so ridicules to think that they could all be right, god is not so desperate as to except all forms of worship , fact of the mater is your either doing it gods way or your not, it your not doing it gods way then it is in vane .
Thank you T for responding in your own words. It is refreshing as you interpret what so many have to resort to “corroborating evidence” to support how they believe such is common place with those who believe the Bible is the infinite “word of God”. Please take note of the word “desperate” as you applied it to God. Of course you said “so desperate” and that is a common fallacy man is guilty of. “God, so desperate.....?” Of course you neglected to comment on the other words I identified: Wrath and Jealously and Vengeful. Man was not created to respond to the “whip” as some doctrines, in their interpretation, allude to God as being a domineering task master who “commands” obedience. What kind of God is that? One I could love? I think not. Can you not possibly conceive that these were “thoughts” of man as he ignorantly associated his meager understanding of what he patterned God to be. It was man that efforted to control man so it was natural he, in his ignorance, who assume God to be of the same nature. Man was never created to “steal, kill or covet”, it is man’s effort to control his fellow man that initiated those “evil consequences” to occur. You can only control man for a very limited time until he becomes wiser or stronger and he will eventually “revolt” due to the inequity. History is rift with this, but we do not learn from it. But by putting man’s “immortal soul” in jeopardy by alluding such demands to God, man could continue to be unjust, greedy and selfish as he conveniently put God on “his” side commanding him not to steal, kill or covet; traits he never had to begin with. Man caused those. Not God. God is about giving and caring for you fellow man regardless of what his faith may be or what his station in life. We are all here for a reason and for anyone to “think” he “understands” God and what God wants is beyond hubris and serves man only and his purposes. It took Christ thirty years to understand his “divine” link to God. As it so happens, it has taken me that long to understand what he understood. We are all “of God”. We are His “physical being”. God is that “core” that runs the universe and we are a part of that. A very important part. All we need to do is get our “minds” together, then and only then will you see what God can really do. Wow!
Why would a perfect, loving God create a "flawed" human being?
the fact of the matter is he did not , we became this way because of sin, thankfully because of the ransom sacrifice of Jesus the Christ the flaw will be fixed .
Christ was a part of the continuum. Regardless of how his life is interpreted, he definitely served a purpose. But still you must realize he was still only human and subject to what he understood, as am I. My effort is to carry that understanding to a different level, much of what he would do if he were here. I hope you understand what I just said. Christ had what I have and more importantly, what you have and all mankind. We are all divme. Just young with a long, long way to go, and we are just getting started.
How can perfection create anything "imperfect"?
this is one question that i hate , the long answer is very involved and will take some study for you to fully comprehend,the short answer is he didn't .
Let me explain it for you if you don’t mind. We are perfect, we just don’t know how perfect. We are autonomous and can survive. For us to realize “what” perfection is, it was necessary for us to understand what “imperfection” was. Life itself is overwhelming and it was inevitable for us to “lose our way” as we covet that very life. Greed is what makes us covet. Greed for life. Those that covet life, have lost that “divine” connection as we learn we cannot deal with our perfection alone. We must allow God to “intervene”, and fear is not the way. Love and understanding is, and that we can only get from God Himself.
Can anyone threaten another in order to get them to love them?
no william , god does not do that , how ever religens do . if your religen teaches that then it time you found a faith
that does not teach it.
What do you think the Ten Commandments are? God doesn’t command, man does. How can God command that which is a “part of him”. The only problem is we are not communicating and man is not a good interpreter. Yet, when you understand how man could have assumed as much, it truly explains everything. Life is an entitlement for all who live here, to be commanded by none, but in cooperation with all, is “God in Motion”. Once we begin to divinely communicate, then you will become to realize what life is all about. I, personally don’t have a clue, but it is a cinch he reality we have created is not it. Yes there is a Heaven and there is a Hell and man will create only one of those. Both begin beneath our feet. One is with God, one is without. I’ll let you figure out which one we are creating as we speak. Death is no reprieve. We have to get it right here first before we continue on. Where ever that may be.
William
I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William
William wrote:no william not even closetruth wrote:[quote="
How can perfection create anything "imperfect"?
this is one question that i hate , the long answer is very involved and will take some study for you to fully comprehend,the short answer is he didn't .
Let me explain it for you if you don’t mind. We are perfect, we just don’t know how perfect. We are autonomous and can survive. For us to realize “what” perfection is, it was necessary for us to understand what “imperfection” was. Life itself is overwhelming and it was inevitable for us to “lose our way” as we covet that very life. Greed is what makes us covet. Greed for life. Those that covet life, have lost that “divine” connection as we learn we cannot deal with our perfection alone. We must allow God to “intervene”, and fear is not the way. Love and understanding is, and that we can only get from God Himself.
William[/b]
T, if you can tear your way from your programmed thoughts and really "read" what I have written, you will see the Bible all through it, only revised and interpreted is a way that actually give's it more clarity. If it give's you peace, by all means do not deter from your belief's one little bit. I understand going against 1000 years of programmed belief is not easy, but if you would please save what I have written. Perhaps one day it will make sense to you. I wish you well.truth wrote:William do you have any ideas that are bible based ? so far it looks as though your making it up as you go .
William
I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William
My what an ego we have. It must be nice to know all there is to know to the point of closing up one's mind so it does not "have to think". The entrapped mind is such a waste. As long as you are "afraid of God", it will be magnificenly hard for Him to get through to you. One has to read with an open mind and this is something most "programmed believers" don't have. Sincerely it is not your fault. It really is hard to get over the consequence of "eternal hell" if you, on occasion, question that programming. The God I know understands that, but it would be nice for you to see the true power that is God. It would literally make you drop to your knees a bawl like a baby. I know. Been there, done that. Once He makes that connection, it gets only better from that point on. You have no idea. Perhaps you have, what is so wrong is to think it your "religion" that brought that "rapture" about. Your religion had nothing to do with it, your heart did.truth wrote:William wrote:
no william not even close
It amazes me when Christian's come knocking on my door. I alway's allow them entry, when I have the time to talk. Invariably the conversation will lead to the one and only question: "Are you saved"? I always answer with a big smile on my face, "No, for you see, I was never lost". Confused? Manbe, but never lost. I have no idea of what that means. God don't create "junk", as I remember seeing on a milk carton once showiing the picture of a little child with such a frown on his face. To imply to a child he is "a sinner" is beyond idiocy to me. It pretty much slaps God in the face too. It is about love, compassion and understanding of your fellow man with no regard whatsoever to his lot in life, the color of his skin, or the culture he represents. To assurme his "worth" less than yours simply because he does not believe as you for whatever reason, is oot what Jesus was about. I saw a bumper sticker one time that said, "Jesus is back, and boy is he pissed. Ha. Yeah, I can definitely understand why.
Sorry for the added post. Just had some thought's I would like to share. Just know God is my best friend, and I never really know went it is me or Him talking. Ha. It is a trip though. I don't think He would have used the word "pissed" though. I think that was all me. Ha.
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william
Regards,
William
I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William
I do admit those were truly assumptions on my part and if I was wrong to assume such, I heartily apologiize. Actually, I know very little about you or your faith and all that I have manifested is meant for all, regardless of their particular beliefs. I mentioned those for those are "standard Christian beliefs". Now I know the "rapture" exists but not as defined by common Christian understanding. I know what that is. As far as "eternal hell", I am not sure how common that is among Christians, but I do know it instills an enormous amount of fear. If I was wrong in my assumption, you have the floor, please set me straight.truth wrote:you used the words "eternal hell" and ''rapture'', are these some things that you think i believe in?
William
I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William
Let me utter a truth: There is nothing man can do that will cause him to fall from God's grace. Nothing. For man to impose such a belief on man is not of God, it is of man. To instill such a fear in the mind of man is the source of evil and only if it is malicious will there be "repercussion's" known only to God. Now that you know this truth, do with it what you will. Man is not evil, no matter what is written to the contrary.
William
William
I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William
why do you say the '' rapture" exists '' no word like it is is scripture and even the idea of every one going to heavenWilliam wrote:I do admit those were truly assumptions on my part and if I was wrong to assume such, I heartily apologiize. Actually, I know very little about you or your faith and all that I have manifested is meant for all, regardless of their particular beliefs. I mentioned those for those are "standard Christian beliefs". Now I know the "rapture" exists but not as defined by common Christian understanding. I know what that is. As far as "eternal hell", I am not sure how common that is among Christians, but I do know it instills an enormous amount of fear. If I was wrong in my assumption, you have the floor, please set me straight.truth wrote:you used the words "eternal hell" and ''rapture'', are these some things that you think i believe in?
William
does not come from the bible ?
T., the mind is our link to God. When that mind is “ill-at-ease” that link is “clouded” and it has been clouded for thousands of years. Well I guess you could say since “day 1". The overwhelming sensation of life is what is responsible for that “clouding”. Understandably so.truth wrote:why do you say the '' rapture" exists '' no word like it is is scripture and even the idea of every one going to heavenWilliam wrote:I do admit those were truly assumptions on my part and if I was wrong to assume such, I heartily apologiize. Actually, I know very little about you or your faith and all that I have manifested is meant for all, regardless of their particular beliefs. I mentioned those for those are "standard Christian beliefs". Now I know the "rapture" exists but not as defined by common Christian understanding. I know what that is. As far as "eternal hell", I am not sure how common that is among Christians, but I do know it instills an enormous amount of fear. If I was wrong in my assumption, you have the floor, please set me straight.truth wrote:you used the words "eternal hell" and ''rapture'', are these some things that you think i believe in?
William
does not come from the bible ?
The fact that our senses are so amazing is why religious interpretations consider the “body” as sinful as we are thrilled to have one. A body, that is. Now why do you suppose we would think that in as much as we have no clue as to any other existence. Hmmm? You really have to think about that one. You see, we are not new, the body is and we like it. Boy do we ever. So much we wear it out well before it’s time. Actually, it doesn’t die, we “burn it up”. We over burden it and the mind to gain as much out of life as we can before we “kick the bucket”. So to speak. It’s all about “greed”. That is where we are seriously “missing the boat”. As we greedily effort to survive life, we fail to “live life”. Surviving life and living life are entirely different paradigms. Of course it had to be this way. You will have to forgive me for I do have a tendency to repeat myself. Living life is easy; surviving life is what is so complicated. Once the mind slows down, so does the body and they begin to work in unison as they compliment each other, rather than against each other.
The only way the “rapture” can occur is if the mind is “at ease” and we re-establish that link to God. That is the “rapture”. To maintain that link in this reality man has created is virtually impossible without giving up “fear”. That is not easy in a reality that has learned to thrive on fear itself. Once that fear is eliminated the rapture of man will occur in the mind of man and then and only then will we begin to live the life we were created for. Building that “Heaven”. That is our reason for being. We are the physical manifestation of God and God, through us will have “life” too. And I promise you, chaos will not be a part of it.
It is not my nature to think of man as being “malicious” in that I believe he is suffering from a “divine” hubris to understand it all and is subject to that “physical realm” he is adjusting to. It’s only been 5 thousand years give or take a couple of thousand years, damn, we just got here as it relates our eternal path. Yes, there is an eternal soul as is depicted by religious teachings only it’s not a soul, it’s who we are as we proceed forward in that eternal continuum. Th0se who understand this will be a part of the joy of that continuum as those who do not will be a part of that continuum but not in a way that can cause it misery in any context. Now exactly just what that means, I don’t care to know.
The rapture cannot occur in the fearful mind as religion itself, or some at any rate, are the epitome of that very fear and serve as an obstacle preventing that very rapture. We do get glimpses of the rapture and you call it a “born again” experience, but maintaining it cannot be done without a constant “revival” of that experience. That is not life. Once we understand we are a part of God rather than apart from God will we be able to maintain it as we understand God “is life”. We cannot exist without Him. It’s that simple. That was Christ’s message. Until now.
The New Testament says exactly that, just in a primitive fashion based on that reasoning that assumes our separateness. The rapture cannot occur as long as fear blocks it path. The “fear of God” as is assume by some in that they have concluded God to be a “task master” that demands obedience is the greatest obstacle. Once we understand death is just a part of life, we will slow down and with God’s guidance we will realize a joy of life that has never been experienced since our being.
There is a lot we do not understand as we are not meant to understand it at this stage of our existence. We will know what we need to know when we are capable of understanding it. Not before. We have an eternity ahead of us and we need to understand that as though we can picture ourselves in it. If we don’t we leave a bleak future for those who follow to build from. Who care’s? Right! We are going to heaven. This Earth, you can have it. What a sad epithet. He gave us one Eden, do you honestly think He would waste another one on us. I don’t think so. We have to get it right here first. Make’s all the sense in the world.
It has taken me 30 years to reach this clarity of mind as it becomes clearer every day. That 30 years is what St. John of the Cross called “The Dark Night of the Soul” as best he understood it. Without God’s help one will not get through the madness that experience entails. I made it through and I did it for you in hopes to save you from that experience. Man can facilitate the rapture by striving to eliminate the fear in the mind of man as he learns to cooperate and work together to make this home we call the Earth a great place to live for all. Without God’s help, hell will ensue as God end’s that chaos that is us as he allows us to destroy ourselves and starts all over again.
The rapture insures divine communication among humans in a complimentary fashion utilizing his knowledge, talents, and gifts required that will ensure harmonious cooperation as we endeavor “together” to create that we were created for, whatever that may be. Could it be Heaven. Hmmm? Heaven is life and where that will lead we will know when we get there and I assure you chaos will not be a part of it.
Evil is that personified greed many fall victim too who covet this life or mesmerized by their ambition to rule at the expense of their fellow man. They will be recognized by the depth of their protests as they attempt to malign that global cooperation for it is that very chaos from which they gain their power preying on the frailties of man that will impede that harmony.
The enraptured mind is free of worry, stress, guilt and fear that has been imposed on man by man as God leads the way utilizing that knowledge collectively in a truly inexplicable way to ensure that harmony. As I have said, God is my best friend. I have seen Him in action. I can only dream of what that will be like when we let go of our autonomy and let God lead the way.
I just taking up where Christ left off. It took me 30 years to reach this divine understanding. You can interpret that as you wish.
I hope I answered your question as to what the rapture is.
William
I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William
Rapture
Definition: The belief that faithful Christians will be bodily caught up from the earth, suddenly taken out of the world, to be united with the Lord “in the air.” The word “rapture” is understood by some persons, but not by all, to be the meaning of 1 Thessalonians 4:17. The word “rapture” does not occur in the inspired Scriptures.
william i dont know what your talking about and i dont feal you do ether
Definition: The belief that faithful Christians will be bodily caught up from the earth, suddenly taken out of the world, to be united with the Lord “in the air.” The word “rapture” is understood by some persons, but not by all, to be the meaning of 1 Thessalonians 4:17. The word “rapture” does not occur in the inspired Scriptures.
william i dont know what your talking about and i dont feal you do ether
It is one thing to admit a lack of understanding. I am used to that. It is not easy changing thousands of years of programmed thought. But your last statement was uncalled for and rude. I don't do rude, nor do I tolerate it in any capacity. Take it easy hot shot. Your ego is a bit out of control. Considering your lack of speaking for yourself with the exceptions of short, terse responses, it is evident we are not getting anywhere. I wish you well my friend.truth wrote:
william i dont know what your talking about and i dont feal you do ether
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May God be with you,
William
I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William
some times the truth is rude ,.......................especially if its not what you want to hear .
thing is you will go off tickling your own ears, believing the things you want to, and not things from scripture
for no better reason than thats what you want, to believe in.
their is one little fact that most if not all peoples don't like and that is ,you have to do it gods way, he's the boss ,the
judge ,the law giver and the only way to get to him is by means of Jesus the Christ.
William ,do you know and under stand the importance of the Christ ?
thing is you will go off tickling your own ears, believing the things you want to, and not things from scripture
for no better reason than thats what you want, to believe in.
their is one little fact that most if not all peoples don't like and that is ,you have to do it gods way, he's the boss ,the
judge ,the law giver and the only way to get to him is by means of Jesus the Christ.
William ,do you know and under stand the importance of the Christ ?
Absolutely, we would have been best friends. Can you fathom that?truth wrote:
William ,do you know and under stand the importance of the Christ ?
William
I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William
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too much, too long
Gentlemen,
This has gone far enough. At this point, you are just squabbling. Please present your arguments, and answer the other.
Claiming that Jesus would have been your best friend is pointless and, in my judgment, it merits no response.
Your arguments should be based on a common, accepted foundation. If you do not share one, then find one. If you cannot find one, then highlight that fact and move on.
William, you have an incredible system of belief, which seems to be based solely on your experience and wisdom. Obviously, most people will find that source of negligible credibility. If you cannot find a common platform from which you can build an acceptable framework, then you must be content at telling your story and stopping there.
I do not want to your "persuasive" efforts to spill over into non-related topics, as it has done on the "Repentance, Murder, and Restitution" topic. I will delete any such future posts, and I will eventually ban you, if it continues.
Find a common platform from which you can work, or build a platform, or be quiet. Otherwise, you are a source of confusion and distraction.
This has gone far enough. At this point, you are just squabbling. Please present your arguments, and answer the other.
Claiming that Jesus would have been your best friend is pointless and, in my judgment, it merits no response.
Your arguments should be based on a common, accepted foundation. If you do not share one, then find one. If you cannot find one, then highlight that fact and move on.
William, you have an incredible system of belief, which seems to be based solely on your experience and wisdom. Obviously, most people will find that source of negligible credibility. If you cannot find a common platform from which you can build an acceptable framework, then you must be content at telling your story and stopping there.
I do not want to your "persuasive" efforts to spill over into non-related topics, as it has done on the "Repentance, Murder, and Restitution" topic. I will delete any such future posts, and I will eventually ban you, if it continues.
Find a common platform from which you can work, or build a platform, or be quiet. Otherwise, you are a source of confusion and distraction.
Have you read the Rules?
I understand. I came here to find out how my “wisdom” would be received and how entrenched people are in their belief’s. Finding someone that is willing to venture beyond traditional belief’s is not easy. Please forgive any discomfort I might have caused. Judging by the number of those who have accessed this thread and the few responses, indicates that very fact.
I have visited many such forums and have found those of a “religious” nature, especially the Judeo-Christian faith to be the most difficult. It was my intent to structure my language in such a way so it would not “feel” threatening in any way whatsoever to engender some response. It seems that is much more of a daunting task than I imagined.
You don’t have to ban me sir, I will leave of my own accord. I have found all I need to know. I wonder though, if Christ himself, were to post on this forum as He continued his promise in life, if He, too, would not be banned. You see my friend, we are a dynamic creation. We get bored very easy as we were meant to grow throughout eternity, meaning even if we were place in a Heaven of perfection, we would in all probability do with it what we have done with this Eden we were blessed with. Before we begin to understand what is ahead of us, we must get it right, here, first. Make’s all the sense in the world.
Again, sorry for any infraction’s I might have caused.
See you later,
William
I have visited many such forums and have found those of a “religious” nature, especially the Judeo-Christian faith to be the most difficult. It was my intent to structure my language in such a way so it would not “feel” threatening in any way whatsoever to engender some response. It seems that is much more of a daunting task than I imagined.
You don’t have to ban me sir, I will leave of my own accord. I have found all I need to know. I wonder though, if Christ himself, were to post on this forum as He continued his promise in life, if He, too, would not be banned. You see my friend, we are a dynamic creation. We get bored very easy as we were meant to grow throughout eternity, meaning even if we were place in a Heaven of perfection, we would in all probability do with it what we have done with this Eden we were blessed with. Before we begin to understand what is ahead of us, we must get it right, here, first. Make’s all the sense in the world.
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Again, sorry for any infraction’s I might have caused.
See you later,
William
I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William
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clarification
William,
I think you misunderstand. It is not a matter of being entrenched, feeling threatened, or discomfort. It is a matter of effectiveness.
I don't want the forum to get bogged down in unsustainable assertions.
Plus, if people are going to have any hope of reaching each other and realizing the truth, they are going to have to do more than present a story. People need evidence to accept a framework that is inconsistent with what they see. Few people to nobody will follow someone else because they asserted it was true and offered nothing more.
To be brutally honest, I am putting a stop to this because it is neither convincing nor persuasive, and because it is derailing other productive threads. Furthermore, I am concerned for your sake, because you are enamored by this philosophy with no basis, except personal appeal.
You are welcome to stay, but you can't keep arguing as you have been.
I think you misunderstand. It is not a matter of being entrenched, feeling threatened, or discomfort. It is a matter of effectiveness.
I don't want the forum to get bogged down in unsustainable assertions.
Plus, if people are going to have any hope of reaching each other and realizing the truth, they are going to have to do more than present a story. People need evidence to accept a framework that is inconsistent with what they see. Few people to nobody will follow someone else because they asserted it was true and offered nothing more.
To be brutally honest, I am putting a stop to this because it is neither convincing nor persuasive, and because it is derailing other productive threads. Furthermore, I am concerned for your sake, because you are enamored by this philosophy with no basis, except personal appeal.
You are welcome to stay, but you can't keep arguing as you have been.
Have you read the Rules?
Re: clarification
Grand Puba that you for your understanding. I deeply understand faith and where it comes from. The axiom WWJD (What would Jesus do) is all but lost in the world we live in. It’s one thing to make such a statement, but it is useless if little effort is used to implement it in our daily lives. All I have said here pertains exclusively to that very fact.grand_puba wrote:William,
I think you misunderstand. It is not a matter of being entrenched, feeling threatened, or discomfort. It is a matter of effectiveness.
I don't want the forum to get bogged down in unsustainable assertions.
Plus, if people are going to have any hope of reaching each other and realizing the truth, they are going to have to do more than present a story. People need evidence to accept a framework that is inconsistent with what they see. Few people to nobody will follow someone else because they asserted it was true and offered nothing more.
To be brutally honest, I am putting a stop to this because it is neither convincing nor persuasive, and because it is derailing other productive threads. Furthermore, I am concerned for your sake, because you are enamored by this philosophy with no basis, except personal appeal.
You are welcome to stay, but you can't keep arguing as you have been.
I will leave you with this thought. If one is steadfastly entrenched in the belief that the world “must come to an end”, which is an interpretation help by some, what can be expected from such a mind set if either through Divine intervention or simply the fact that we, as God’s creation, finally “do” see the light. Will those fundamentalist be an asset or a liability to that effort? Taking into consideration it has never been determined exactly where and what “heaven” is, it could be reasoned that it begins “here”, beneath our feet.
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William
I am 60 years old and have been searching for truth my entire life. I have an enormous faith in God, yet I do not hold dear any tenet. I would like to share what I have learned.
William
William